To whoom it may concern

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thanks X2....I didn't realize the concern was that basic.
of course.....the site has been relatively successful at doing what it needs to do else we wouldn't have survived this long.
if the user takes care of #2 then #3 is nothing to worry about..
just as you said.

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  • People rather be on a forum where they are not chased by 100 moderators. When GS started it was the only player in the business (bulletin board) but today we have thousands of *pakistanthis pakistanthat *forums and websites... so user base kinda gets chopped up.

    • You will find many Pakistanis on less moderated, masala *forums than on self glorified "*family" friendly forums like GS and others. Over time, people start to see a trend in how a website is handled, managed and administered, so those who notice such changes, run off to other less politicised and cultized forums.

    1. Lack of trust. You have more users now, more interaction, less time to get your head around different types of people, less trust. You can't have meets with these ingredients. Now the trend is meeting your old, lost friends, not making new ones through social networking websites. GS was and is and will continue to remain a "corporate" forum of some sort... which has a director, a CEO, a CTO and bullcrap like that. You don't run communities like that (maybe back in 1997 you could but not today).

    For some reason people when they come to GS they develop some type of self-importance and all of a sudden they remember they have to look after their privacy. They may post blogs on blogging website for years but its something about GS and its environment that makes them an expert on privacy and shoves self-awareness about privacy which they never had. I don't know what it is... we may never know. Also, we should know that all websites are spidered by search engines and that is not the reason why people don't come to GS...

    khair, who am I to say anything?

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    well, people can be completely anonymous but they might use an id which they can easily remember meaning something they use for other sites, emails, etc.. but certain people here have been very creepy as in googling up those ids and coming back here on gs to post that 'googled' info about that certain member. now that information could be very personal but sadly, alot of people don't really respect that especially if involved in an argument with the member. it's creepy as it is when you go to yahoo or google and try finding out stuff out for your 'satisfaction' but i find it really sick when they display it to everyone here especially real names and personal info.

    after seeing this kind of incident happen just recently with me, a few people who i had convinced to join have now no interest because they are totally creeped out by such stalkerish behavior.

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    Search engines spider ALL websites, regardless of what type of lost souls those websites may have... its unfair to say that people wouldn't join GS because posts show up in search engines. People should think twice before putting their personal information online and in their blogs and then going out of their way to pick fights with people - sometimes it really does come back and bite ya in the rear. Instead of blaming others and search engines, people should learn to take responsibility for their evil actions... unfortunately, that requires a very strong backbone and upright posture, too bad *snakes *don't have that capability.

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    ^My post wasn't for you but good that you bothered to reply. How convenient you left out 'maybe I shouldn't be a stalker and a creep by looking up someone's personal info and putting it up here'.. anyway, since you classify as what I mentioned above, it's best that I keep ignoring you as the authorities have advised me to considering your history here. So you better stay away from me before I report you to the mods again.
    Peace.

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    My post was for you as you don't seem to understand how internet works and how search engines spider ALL websites, more often than you think. I am not going to sit here and lie my head off, like some people. On one hand you are **accusing **me of stalking and on the other you are saying your post wasn't for me? I can't blame you for acting like a snake and lying, its your nature... sad that you've become a moderator - and then people ask why users leave GS.

    If you don't want your information discovered, you make it private. If you don't make it private, you WANT people to see your information and find you. After years and years that your information has been on the Internet, today you care about privacy?

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    ^^ Yupp ... this pretty much sumz it up :)

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    Thanks :D

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    ^ I'm sorry to break it to you, but there is no way to tell how many mature or immature people join GS or any other site for that matter. In a perfect world, everyone would respect each other and I'd be shooting rainbows out of my ass but in the real world, we have to protect ourselves on our own. That's the basic, simple reality of life.

    It's like saying, I shouldn't have to lock my doors at night because I live in a community where mature people move in to make friends. Unfortunately, someone will break in to your house and screw you over.
    So, even though we'd all like to be a part of a community where we'd feel "safe", we cannot close our eyes and hope that nothing bad happens.

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    • how many of those "masala" forums have the staying power that GS has?
    • how many of them have the unique visitors, members, hits, etc. that we have? do you even know what those numbers are?
    • how many of those forums have meets at all?
    • how many of those less moderated forums would you introduce your kid sister to?

    User base may get chopped up but quality and values always bring people back.

    • when were you last at a meet?
    • how many other guppies were there?
    • what precludes you from finding your old friends in GS?

    • name a community that is predominantly pakistani, has been around as long as GS and is structure-less. please.

    • people don't develop some sort of self-importance when they come here, they realize that this truly IS a family oriented website and their cousins, brothers, sisters and distant relatives are ACTIVE here. Anonymity becomes an issue bigger than elsewhere.

    nobody if you believe that self-importance is not good......

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    • Many of them have the staying power that GS does as they cater to specific need of the people, that is why they are popular and GS on the other hand is still trying to figure out why people don't stay, why people don't come... even after 12 years only. Its just sad. With failure of alldost, GS is still, today is trying to launch a portal, which it should have done 8 years ago...
    • I would love to see those #s for GS. Screenshots of the stats would suffice.
    • You would have to be on them to know if they do...
    • I wouldn't even introduce my kid sister to GS let alone those forums. We don't talk about many issues that people end up opening threads about here on GS in a family... so "family forum" approach gets lost somewhere between allowing people to discuss what they want to discuss and upholding the family values.

    You have more backbiters, liars, political correctness, progressive and secular nutcases here on GS than any other Pakistani forum that I've seen. Just check the blogs, members chopping each other off based on assumptions and self-created lies. The fact that "yes we can" type of slogans are being used to shore up support for GS because it worked for Obama. Such progressive, tree-hugging slogans only belong on political campaigns, not a forum trying to project it self as a family friendly forum, more importantly to Muslim families.

    • What values are you talking about? Lets take different muslim religious groups for example, ever wonder why you have high # of users that are Qadiyani and Shia whereas many sunnis and others stay away? The values you protect are the values you attract.

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    - when were you last at a meet?
    - how many other guppies were there?
    - what precludes you from finding your old friends in GS?
    - name a community that is predominantly pakistani, has been around as long as GS and is structure-less. please.

    • people don't develop some sort of self-importance when they come here, they realize that this truly IS a family oriented website and their cousins, brothers, sisters and distant relatives are ACTIVE here. Anonymity becomes an issue bigger than elsewhere.
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    • It depends what you consider a meet... I haven't been to any announced meets, maybe because I am too far from typical areas where members do meet.

    • I haven't found any... however, facebook was helpful in getting me in touch with friends i haven't seen for past 12, 14 years...

    • I never said there is an older community than GS... however, I have never seen a lousy forum/bulletin board being run like a corporation. Being older forum doesn't give you high moral grounds or certificate of approval by the muslim family councel...

    • Then why are people so concerned about privacy when they join GS and not else where on the internet? Maybe people don't want family atmosphere that you so like to project, maybe they are all sick of family politics and kind of issues they see within their own famlies... it kinda gets worst here because some people may claim to be your family one minute and then turn against you the next because its all fun and games over the internet.

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    nobody if you believe that self-importance is not good......
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    Self-importance is not good when it clouds your judgement... so, I am good being a nobody.

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    Name 3 that have been around as long.

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    I would love to see those #s for GS. Screenshots of the stats would suffice.
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    I'm sure you would but you haven't answered my question.

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    You would have to be on them to know if they do...
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    So since you are the expert, enlighten me. I am obvioulsy too caught up in the red tape of beaurocracy to join them all. You seem to have the time, help me out.

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    I wouldn't even introduce my kid sister to GS let alone those forums.
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    So if GS doesn't make the cut the other forums must really be over the top......by your standards anyway. I have never hesitated to introduce ANYONE to this forum thanks to the "hundreds of mods that follow you around" and keep the place clean.

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    You have more backbiters, liars, political correctness, progressive and secular nutcases here on GS than any other Pakistani forum that I've seen.
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    Again, I have to believe that you are the expert here since you've seen them all. So I will take your word for it. But then this leads to a couple of other questions:

    1. If we have all the "nutcases" and you wouldn't even let your kid sister hang out here, what kind of extreme unmoderated membership do the other places have?

    2. What are you doing here?

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    It depends what you consider a meet... I haven't been to any announced meets, maybe because I am too far from typical areas where members do meet.
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    Definition of a Meet: More than 3(?) guppies get together for a coffee, chai, lunch, dinner, chat, in person. So based on that, how many meets have you been to?

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    I haven't found any... however, facebook was helpful in getting me in touch with friends i haven't seen for past 12, 14 years...
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    Facebook is a networking forum. GupShup is a discussion board. It was never designed nor purported to be a networking tool.

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    I never said there is an older community than GS... however, I have never seen a lousy forum/bulletin board being run like a corporation. Being older forum doesn't give you high moral grounds or certificate of approval by the muslim family councel...
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    If you can't understand that longevity and staying power means something then I'm afraid there is much more of this discussion that will simply go over your head.

    And by the way when did Islam come into this? Is this another one of those typical desi techniques to derail every discussion into religion at the first sign of losing the debate?

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    Then why are people so concerned about privacy when they join GS and not else where on the internet? Maybe people don't want family atmosphere that you so like to project, maybe they are all sick of family politics and kind of issues they see within their own famlies...
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    I thought I answered the privacy question. And if people don't want that family atmosphere I'll send them your way to find out where all those unmoderated forums are that are so great.

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    Self-importance is not good when it clouds your judgement... so, I am good being a nobody.
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    Good to know that you are happy about something.

    sorry I have to run....will check back later tonight.

    Ehsan Uncle tum jiyo hazaro saal - Golden Jubilee
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    JL, waisey, GS is much safer for your kid sister than the Internet itself. Just imagine leaving her on say Google and letting her experiment. :eek:

    My husband introduced me to this site because he felt it was friendly enough to have his family here. Even my 6 year old has her own threads in the Voice Gallery. See you can make any place good or bad, or take good or bad from any place. It’s a perspective, a choice.

    Sure there’s negative stuff that happens around here, and who would know that better than yourself :d: but at the end of the day, I feel it’s a well managed site compared to many others… even some big Indian forums where I’ve been.

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    Wait a minute, you are getting all defensive on me... not a good sign from administration. This is the type of attitude that forces you to redesign, rethink, redo, re-organize GS every two years, because you can't seem to get a grip on what the problem is... you may want to go back and read your own posts that are critical of GS and how its run. When you figure that out then we can talk. Sadly, I don't have any hopes that you would. I am not going to sit here and deal with a cultist mentality which refuses to listen to opposing views.

    Btw, I am not an expert but I do run 11 or 12 forums (with websites and none of them are masala nor pakistani, and NO they are not as old as the good ol' GS, incase you are wondering) so I know a little more about building communities and keeping members than anybody else around here, especially those claiming to be the oldest forum around... yeah, thats a good benchmark to measure family friendliness of a forum.

    No hard feelings, alright? I am just trying to help you improve something you can't seem to yourself... how much do you want to bet that we will be talking about GS *reorganized *again in two three years? Enjoy!

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    I have been reading this forum since the beginning of this year. I did not sign up cuz I go on several different forums that I prefer over gs. reason? my brother married a pakistani girl and she has brought some good influences in our house so i wanted to read and learn about pakistani culture. so far gs was doing an okay job and i visited it every now and then while i was not on some better, more informative and better run forum..but with this new change i just had to sign up and add my 2 cents. I have to agree with jaanleva a hundred % with whatever he said. gs disgusts me with its corporation type outlook. its just a crappy forum with nothing special to offer. its full of defensive admins who jump bak and snap at members. most are rude and should be the ones to be actually banned. the member, poor colorfuleyes, was bashed by the new director who probably sleeps better knowing he has a title on some online crappy, insignificant website. Hurray for you guys. this webiste is a total faliure. such rude admins! disgusting.

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    ^ Nice one newbie. As hard as it is for me to believe your story about why you joined this forum, (as I believe you're someone with a second nick who doesn't want to spoil their good image), I cant help but agree with your views. Although, doesn't this second nick cover make you a part of this "crappy" site as you said? Maybe you should muster up the courage to speak your mind with your "real" nick. Speak up lady!/Dude!. Who cares about this "crappy" site anyways right?

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    nice try Shark Man.....shall we ban your other two nicks too?

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    parveen shakir had a book titled "khud kalami"
    anyone read it?

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    ^^ I just have seen it :@: