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oh and Todd:
http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/islam/blfaq_islam_sects.htm
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Me…
The kind of talk that is meted out to Muslims and Islam on this forum by non-Muslims wouldn’t hold a candle to any other religion…And after all of that, still, everyone’s views are accepeted…
My opinions, no matter how I word them, seem to a few as hateful rants…Now, for me my opinions are based on my own experiences…They contain neither insults nor slander…I try to present them as honestly as possible, but they say truth hurts…And particularly Americans on this board, thanks to the new ‘our way or the highway’ mentality, they are labelled as hateful…
If for example I say, Americans have killed more people than any nation ever on earth, that is considered hateful…If I say Americans have been in more wars than any nation on earth, that is hateful…If I say Americans are terrorists killing millions of innocent men, women and children, that is hateful…
But what am I doing? I am simply stating what I see and happens to be the truth in my view…But to many, they cannot stand it…They would rather I shut up…But since I don’t I am labelled as a hateful guy…
Many non-Muslims have openly insulted Islam or things associated with it…Their posts were either deleted or edited…The same has happened if anyone disrespected any other faith…
But, I think splitting the forums would not be such a bad idea, keeping in mind the vastness of Islam and the inherent interest of the people to look into it whether as a curiosity or simply to poke their noses into it…
But, it might work…Though the lack of interest of Muslims towards other religions would make the ‘other religions’ forum quite redundant…
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I said "right mind"
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Lajwab, its not a matter of you stating the truth (in your opinion as you said). Its a matter of not giving the other possibilities/thoughts a chance. You do not have to agree with them, but you can certainly consider them.
Believe me, I hate to see the muslim blood spilled all over the world for political and economic gains. Even if I was to believe all the conspiracy theories, the reality on the ground remains the same: Muslims are killing other muslims.
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so in the Islam forum we wud allow the members to curse other religions, their gods, their religous figures....
and in the non-Islam section we wud allow members to curse Allah, to insult Muhammad (saw), to say that Quran is a fabricated book of lies etc etc....
and hence the Religion Forum problems shall be resolved....
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The Islam forum would be under the tight control of sunni fundamentalists where fatwas were issued by the moderators and any dissent would be squashed by the all knowing righteous. The path to hell would be outlined by the moderator mullahs and anyone who went outside those guidelines would be called a liar and a fool.
The non-Islam forum would allow for open and free discussions on all matters related to spirituality and religion where posters could expess themselves freely. There would be no right or wrong views and no admonishment for those with different views. Every religion and faith would be respected and no posters would have the right to tell others they are going to hell.
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^^
The first would not exist because if the moderators did what you say, it would be lies from them...
The second would not exist either becuase if the posters did what you say, it would be lies from them...
But I still say, the forum should be split, only on the condition that Islam will not be discussed in other religions portion...
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how about we do this, lets have a religion forum for idiots and a religion forum for sensible people.
forum for idiots can have all bigots, all ppl in flame baiting, all ppl in their underhanded tactics that i see on a regular basis.
as a second form for the proposal, lets just then not have the religion forum for idiots.
oops we are back to square one, where we were when we st the forums up, for civilized decent discussions between people who want to learn about their own and other faiths, those who want to share their knowledge etc.
sadly, we have idiots of all nationalities, faiths and sects messing up a good forum. we can create 15 sub forums but until ppl start respecting others it would not do anything.
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Mr. Fraudia, I think it is derogatory of you to call people idiots for no other reason than them having an opinion which you consider below your mental level or intellect...
It is a sign of great arrogance and haughtiness on your part to call people who share their opinion, no matter how conflicting with your own POV, as idiotic...
You, who wish to see enlightenment, light and wisdom flowing from four corners of the world engage in name calling to those whose own wisdom conflicts with your own...Even worse if you happen to share the same faith...
Where is your pragmatism now? Or is it reserved for those whom you consider 'idiots'?
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Look who’s talking! 
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apna akbar ilah-abadi ka she'r yaad aaya:
raqeebon ne ja ke rappat likhayi hai thaanay me
akbar naam leta hai khuda ka is zamaanay me
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The first one already exists, you should know, you post there often enough.
I don’t expect you to believe or participate in the 2nd forum as the concept of free discussions, opend mindedness and respect for other beliefs is not within your grasp. So no problem, your version of Islam wouldn’t fit this forum and would not be discussed.
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^ and u think u respect other religions????
if u think whats writen in their Holy Book is a lie, u dont really respect it....
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If your determining factor on whether or not you respect another religion is if you believe their holy book to be true, it's no wonder you don't respect other religions. Who after all believes in every holy book in the world? You are very confused about what "respect" means.
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Doesn’t this thread (and the similar one in General) add to the claims that balancing activities (such as ‘moderation’) may be incompatible with the “Islam is the only true religion and non-muslims go to hell” school of Islam? People who hold such views cannot be trusted to moderation.
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You are not happy with Muslim leaders, Muslim people, Muslim beliefs, Muslim way of life, Muslims themselves...And now you are not happy with Muslim moderators...
Anything Muslim must go...Where is YOUR sense of tolerance?
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^ R u asking me? I don't think Muslims are bad at all...I am only talking about the suitability of people who hold views to be moderating debates.
Other than that I don't really care about what Muslims do, Hindus do or whoever does whatever...as long as I get my chocolate, strawberry and zinfandel in time
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Sweety! thanks for bringing it up… u saved me couple of cut and paste clicks
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I don't think separation is really the answer. What we need is a mod who is consistent, and entirely intolerant of any language that might hint at disrespect of any belief system. I know that that is easier said than done. But it should be a clear goal. Any mod or poster that approaches others' beliefs with condescension and disrespect should not be allowed.
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there is no connection between what the personal beliefs of armughal may be as far as Islam being the one true religion/Muslims being the only ones saved on the day of judgement, his expressing those beliefs on this bulletin board, and his capability to moderate the forum without bias or enforcing those views on others. I may for example believe that Indians are out to get me and spend my days shaking my fist at the american flag but I wouldnt let that influence my moderatorship of WA. The examples are fabricated, but serve to show you that you really dont know what my opinions are, and I could very well have the same biases regardless of whether or not I express them. Every one has beliefs, and you should not dictate what one should or shouldnt personally believe in order to moderate, so long as those beliefs do not influence his moderator judgement.
If you have issues with how he moderates, dont tie it to what his personal beliefs are. Such forced godlessness doesnt work when you try to make george bush stop quoting his God, and they probably wont find much support here either.
Requiring that moderators be from your credo of choice, and posessing beliefs YOU are comfortable with, is not something that is or should be your call.