I had some more feedback regarding this issue, hence this new thread. I wanted to respond to Ehsan’s remarks.
Ehsan & GS Directors, No one is asking to ban/change mods because of their views, religious or otherwise. Do you think that handing out warning points for an honest mistake of misspelling a mod’s nick is the correct use of mod’s authority?
Ehsan & GS Directors, the issue is not about personal views of a mod. The issue is, what views GS directors want to represent to the public? Recently,there were few organizational changes within GS, which portrayed GS more as a business entity. In business, when an employee makes a statement that is in stark contrast to the management view, that employee is either a) disciplined,b) retracts the statement, c) organization issues a statement explaining the “statement”. Neither of which has been done so far. Case in point, Armughal thinks that it was Allah’s wrath/punishment that killed all the people in earthquake. He is allowed to hold that view if he so chooses, however, as an organization, are you willing to stand behind that statement and defend it? I challenge all of you in GS management (Azkar, Faisal, Kamal, Muzna, Ehsan, and Sabah) to address this issue. Is this your official stance that all of the inncoent children killed in this tragic event are responsible for their own deaths because they were sinful people? Please do not try to sidestep this issue by replying with another blanket statement of “mods cannot be changed becuase of some posters disagreement”…keep in mind I am not asking for a change in moderators, I am asking for a clarification on the statement made by the mod as a representative of GS.
Those of you who know me, know that I have been involved in many a religious debates and my views can be described as fundamental or strict, but, I cannot fathom, calling the deaths of thousands to be a result of sins committed by a few.
All views expressed on GupShup by the members and the moderators are their own personal opinions and in no wa reflect the views and principles of GupShup and/or its affiliates...
kaleem, forget the view i hold, whether i believe that the earthquake was a punishment or not, just go ahead and prove to me how exactly do u think that the earthquake was not indeed a punishment from God....
there have been children, and all children are innocent, in nations before us who were reduced to dust with no traces of existence left behind....
their children went with them....
if Allah's wrath took them, then how r our children better or more privilieged????
stop dragging children into this discussion, and go ahead and think over it....
Allah has put before u such a big disaster to learn a lesson from it, and u just dump the idea that Allah had anything at all to do with this "natural disaster"....
P.S. i dont think tendulkar is a good player, shud GS include this in their official stance as well????
i think musharraf is not worthy of being president of pakistan, shud this be an official statement from GS administration????
i hold millions of views, how many of them shall the poor GS management cover in their official stances????
Kaleem, your point could have been valid about business entity if I were to pay for the membership or some sort of funds transaction - till then this site will remain private, so does the views of its members. Also what Mughal has failed to explain is Moderators are there to help moderate forums, they are not the spokesperson for GS or its management.
Mughal, I have something for you too... did u get a direct revelation from God that it was indeed a wrath not an ordeal. Go read your divine book again and you'll find the difference.
^ Todd, same goes for u and others who r still arguing over it, did u get a direct revelation from God that it was indeed not a wrath????
we dont know hence we give both views equal weight, we dont go out calling names to peope who hold the opposite view and start jumping here and there and making noises like mad....
some ppl r just having a hard time believing that there cud be a view opposite to theirs....
I dont think its a problem with the Mods really. Its more a problem of a few posters I refer to as "Islaamic bullies" who go after anyone non-muslim or differing from them in any way. Their tactic is to ignore the question at hand and instead go after the initial poster as a liar, imposter, or worse.
the biggest problem with this is when you think about it, go back and read some of the posts AS IF you're a non-muslim looking for understanding. You dont know the previous characters in the thread. Once you make that assumption, go back and read something like the thread Israeli girl started recently. You'd be horrified. WHether or not she's some imposter trying to poke fun at Islaam - if you arent "in" on these things you wouldnt know, so you'd find that whole thread horrifying. So if you want to make accusations and ignore the topic at hand, it should be clearly stated in your reply that you think the poster is an imposter with bad intentions OR this type of thing should be NOT ALLOWED.
A moderator's job is to moderate. That doesn't mean he doesn't or can't have his own views, it just means that to be a fair moderator he should keep many of them to him/herself, especially when moderating a religion forum.
A moderator should not tell posters that they are going to hell or that they are not Muslim if they consider themsleves to be. When that type of narrow view comes from a moderator it is no longer a 'religion' forum, but a sunni fundamentalist forum. If that is what armughal and GS wants, they should change the name of the forum and not pretend they have an open religion forum that encourages free expression.
I disagree with Kaleem in that a moderator's view like 'the earthquake is punishment from Allah' is an unfair comment from a moderator. While it may be ignorant, it does not promote intolerance to other views.
If you want to demean other views (like if yours is diffrent from mine so you will burn in hellfire) then be a regular poster. But if you want to be a credible and fair moderator, realize that other peoples' views are just as relevant to them as yours is to you and don't be so damn judgmental.
Why she has to know the background of a person to back up ?
Raven, the mod of the SAME religion forum disagree’s with the fact that it was NOT Allah’s wrath. I strongly disagree with Raven and do agree with Muhgal Bhai, that it was NOT a gift of Allah swt to the people of Pakistan.
I did not open up a thread against Raven that he should be taken of from modship just because he disagree with the fact that it was not Allah swt punishment.
Kaleem, I agree with you on most of the religious topics but here you are slightly offline mate. But it is my opinion just like it was your’s against Mughal Bhai.
-Salman
Nobody wants the mod in question here to stop posting his views but at the very least he should try to cut down on his ignorant arrogance. Addressing people by their names and telling them that they are going to hell is NOT equivalent to expressing your religious point of view. Its playing god.
I am sure though that neither this point nor Kaleem's nor A good Being's will have made any difference in the mind set of the people running the Religion forum.
Since many days, I have not visited Religion, Pak forums (WA I normally do not visit). Only if on GS home page if I see a topic title which makes me click on it. 2/3 days ago, I clicked on some topic which I have forgotten the title of. I landed in a thread started by Israeli girl in which she mentioned she was reading the Quran. The day I clicked on it, the last post was by her which stated that she found some verses in Quran which advocated killing of jews and she was shocked. I wanted to respond to that but was just leaving so decided to come back later to do so. When I came back, I could not find that thread anywhere.
Can someone tell me whatever happened to it? Why was it removed?
I think the only problem in religion forum is the posters.
We as Muslims tend to act foolishly when someone disagrees with our brand of Islam. Please do remember that Armughul has his views/opinions as we do. To name a person who does not agree with your opinions or religious translation that you believe in is moronic.
If you do not agree with his point of view, then let him know. It is about debating and learning, (at least that’s what I think).
I don’t post in religion forum, and I don’t intend to.
You kicking your own butt, you just disagreed with Kaleem that a moderator’s job is to ‘moderate’ the forum and he can have his own views, but when it comes down to a mod’s views AGAINST YOURS you think that he won’t be considered a moderator any more, wah wah, bravo.
I have disagreements with ARMughal on issues but I take them as his “personal” views, not “representative” of Gupshup. If “earthquake is a punishment” is his view/interpretation then why “non Muslims will goto hell” not be his own when he is using his same sources to back both views? If “non Muslims will goto Hell” is offensive to you then “Earthquake was punishment” is offensive to Kaleem, he is using same sources (I blv) for both views.
I think ARMughal is one fine moderator :k: no matter what his opinions are and I don’t think anybody should take a ‘Moderator`s’ views as representative of Gupshup.
