Assalam-Alaikum,
Reading your posts, I would like to know about the methodologies you recommend. I find it good to question Islam, so that inshallah I may follow the correct path.
What is considered good and what is considered bad.
I’m actually more interested in the good points of how you think a muslim should be, how they should act etc.
Would it be possible not to compare with ‘Wahabis’ as that really confuses me.
Jazakallah
CoolDude
**The most basic difference b/w 'Wahabees' and other sects is that they have deteriorated the status of the Holy Prophet (P.B.U.H.) by describing him as ' any ordinary person, like a 'bara bhai' ' (naouzobillah)who died (not the word 'Visal').
And secondly they r the latest edition to the Muslims sect, created during the 19th century through a british conspiracy to disintegrate the Othoman empire...
And thirdly they believe it's a 'shirk' to say 'Ya-Rasul-Allah' (P.B.U.H.)**
[This message has been edited by pakistan99 (edited August 30, 2000).]
Salam brother Cooldude,
Please check my post under the section " Qualities of a sufi, what are they?"
Hope u find it informative.
JazakAllah khair
Muslim786
This is the first i've heard of All this.
Muslim786: I've read some posts and you talk about loving the prophet and his family.
Shouldn't you love Allah above all else?
Does the prophets family have more importance than Hazrat Isa or Hazrat Adam? (PBUT)
I would like this thread to be clean from any bios please. Ideally only Muslim786 should answer.
Jazakallah
Then I'm sorry for the interuption, dude!
The Legacy of Islam:
1)Do you believe that the Prophet left behind a successor (refer to Ghader-e-khum)?
2)Or, do you believe that the prophet mission ended with the quran?
3)The prophet's household is important because the successors to Prophet i.e. Caliphs or Imams come from the household of the prophet! That is why we give salutations to the family of Muhammed(saw).
4) Why the household of Muhammed? Because the leaders that followed Hazrat Ibrahim/Abraham also came from his[Abraham] family ( per quran).
5) Prophet Muhammed is descended from Abraham/Ibrahim and the leaders of Islam after Prophet Muhammed (saw)continue from this progeny!
MORE later.....
Masha'Allah, logical!
I actually wanted Muslim786’s views on this, as he has a lot of knowledge on this.
Muslim786: Could you back up statements about Islam with extracts from the Quran Please? Not Hadith, because the only thing everyone is agreed upon on here is that Allah is One and the Quran is the word of Allah.
I would like to broaden my knowledge of Islam by reading the relevant parts of the Quran that you refer to.
Faceup, Logical: I’m tryin to have a conversation here..!!!
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Jazakallah
CoolDude,
You and I have butted heads before and we shall do more in the future; simple because the wahabis reject everything that logical quoted under the Legacy of Islam!
Let me ask you why were the 4 Caliphs of Islam from the family of Quraish?
Do you believe that the Quraish family goes back to Abraham and that prophet Muhammed was descended from Abraham?
I was asking for advice from Muslim786 as he is versed in The Quran and has some good points.
Now, Can I carry on this conversation?
Jazakallah
Pak99,
Agree with you.
Add to that,
they do not believe that Caliphs or Imams have to be from Ahle Muhammed. To them anyone can be a Caliph!
Add,
their creed is based on teachings of abdul wahab and, not any scholars of Ahl as sunnah who they consider enemies of islam and their madhabs bidat or innovations.
Add,
the wahabis do not believe in the spiritual aspects of islam; refer to the thread: WAHABI FITNA.
Add,
they reject the concept of Noor-e-Muhammadi.
THE LEGACY OF ISLAM & PROPHET: THE AHLE BAYT!
Here's some proof from the Quran.
1)And are not the Ahl al-Bayt "those whom Alláhs has blessed" about whom the Holy Qur'án says:
"Guide us in the straight path, the path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray." (Holy Qur'án 1:6-7)
2)And was the "Verse of Imprecation" revealed with reference to any other person except the Prophet's Ahle Bayt?
"And whoever disputes with thee concerning him after the inspired knowledge which has been given to thee, tell him 'Come, let us call our sons and your sons; our women and your women; our ourselves and yourselves; then let us pray and invoke Alláh's curse upon those who lie." (Holy Qur'án 3:61)
3)Are they[Ahle Bayt] not the "Rope of Alláh" about whom he has said: “Hold fast to the Rope of Alláh, all of you together, and do not diverge” Holy Qur'án 3:103
4)Are not the Ahl al-Bayt "the true believers" about whom Alláh says:
"Whoever opposes the Prophet after the guidance has been manifest unto him and follows any path other than the path of the true believers, We will turn him towards that unto which he himself has turned, and We will expose him to Hell and a bad journey it will be." (Holy Qur'án 4:115)
5)The Ahl al-Bayt alone are those who are "supreme in authority" as referred to in the verse: "O you who believe, obey Alláh and obey His Messenger and those who are supreme in authority amongst you."
(Holy Qur'án 4:59)
6)And in another verse he says: "They are those whom Alláh has blessed among the Prophets and the verifiers, the martyrs and the righteous." (Holy Quran 4:69)
7)Is it not a fact that Alláh has given the Ahl al-Bayt the leadership of the people generally and that after the Holy Prophet He has placed the leadership exclusively amongst them?
Read the verse: "Verily your leader is only Alláh, and His Messenger, and those who believe; who establish worship and pay the poor due while they are bowing down in prayer." (Holy Qur'án 5:55)
8)Are not the Ahl al-Bayt the "path" about whom Alláh says: "Lo, this is My straight path, so follow it and do not follow other ways else you will diverge from His way." (Holy (Qur'án 6:153)
9)They [Ahle Bayt] are the people to whom the khums [the charity of one-fifth] is due. Unless and until a person sets aside the khums he cannot be deemed to have paid his dues. Accordingly, the Qur'án says:
"And know that whatever you take of the spoils, lo! a fith thereof is for Alláh and for the Messenger and for his kinsmen." (Holy Qur'án 8:41)
10)Are they [Ahle Bayt] not the truthful about whom He says:re they not the truthful about whom He says: "Be careful of your duty to Alláh and be with the Truthful." Holy Qur'án 9:119
11)Are not the Ahl al-Bayt the "guides" about whom Alláh says:
"Lo! thou art a warner and for every people there is a guide." (Holy Qur'án 13:7)
12)Is it not a fact that Alláh has made His promise of pardon to those who believe and do good conditional upon their being guided by the Ahl al-Bayt?
The Qur'án says:
"And lo! I am the Most Forgiving towards him who repents and believes and does good and then follows the guidance." (Holy Qur'án 20:82)
13)Are not the Ahl al-Bayt those who remember regarding whom Alláh says:
"Ask those who remember if you do not know." (Holy Qur'án 21:7)
14)Also, it is about them and their enemies that Alláh says:
"These [the believers and disbelievers] are two opponents who quarrel about their Lord. Therefore, as for those who disbelieve, clothes of fire will be cut out for them [and] a boiling liquid will be poured down upon their heads." (Holy Qur'án 22:19)
15)Concerning them and their enemies the following verses were revealed:
"Is he who is a believer like he who leads an evil life? They are not alike. But as for those who believe and do good deeds, for them are the Gardens of the Abode, a reward for what they used to do. While for those who do evil, their Abode is the Fire. Whenever they try to go out therefrom, they are brought back, and it is said to them: Taste the torment of the Fire which you used to deny." (Holy Qur'án 32:18-20)
16)Can you say that there are such clear verses in the Holy Qur'án concerning anyone else as there are about the Ahl al-Bayt? Does the Holy Qur'án contain an unequivocal declaration of the removal of all contamination from anyone except the Ahl al-Bayt? Has any verse like the "Verse of Purity" been revealed concerning any other person?
"It is Alláh's will to remove all blemish from you, O Ahl al-Bayt, and purify you with a perfect purification." (Holy Qur'án 33:33)
17)It is upon the family of Muhammad that Alláh commands us to invoke blessings, saying: "Lo! Alláh and His angels shower blessings on the Prophet. O you who believe! Bless him and salute him with a worthy salutation" (Holy Qur'án 33:56)
18)The Muslims asked the Holy Prophet, "How are we to salute you?" and he replied,
"Say, 'O Alláh! Bless Muhammad and the Family of Muhammad'"
Therefore, it is proved by this tradition that the salutation is not complete unless and until the Family of Muhammad is also saluted along with the Prophet. This is the reason that the learned men and research scholars have included the above-mentioned verse among those verses of the Holy Qur'án which praise the Ahl al-Bayt. Hence, they are the chosen servants of Alláh and they are the forerunners who hasten towards righteousness by the command of Alláh, and they are the inheritors of the Book of Alláh concerning whom the Almighty says:
"Then We gave the Scripture as an inheritance unto those of Our servants whom We selected. But of them are some whom wrong themselves and some who take the middle path and some who surpass all others in their good deeds by Alláh's command. that is the great favor." (Holy Qur'án 35:32)
19)Is there any verse which commands us to love anyone else as we are commanded to love the Ahl al-Bayt?
"Say, I ask no reward from you for it except the love of my kinsfolk. And whosoever doeth a good deed we add unto it a greater good for him. Lo, Alláh is Forgiving, Responsive." (Holy Qur'án 42:23)
The above are only a few re: the proof that Allah's nominated servants from Abraham down to Muhammed share the same lineage and this lineage continued down with the Ahle Muhammed and the Ahle Bayt Imams.
Salam all,
Yes cooldude, we should love **Allah above all. There is a difference between only being a Muslim and becoming a Momin. To be on the peak of Islam and Eeman, one needs to not only Love Allah but Allah messengers (all) and yes offcourse our Prophet (s.a.w) was the best of all the prophets , therefore, his love is very very important.
{b] It is not only we who love Prophet (s.a.w). Allah himself loves prophet (s.a.w) and his family(r.a) and asks us to give salam to them.**
**My connection is messing up brother, so please give me time and i will insha-Allah give u references.
Wassalam,
Muslim786
Salam brother cooldude,
Here is the reference about loving Prophet (s.a.w) and his family (r.a) in quran.
It is a big ayat so I am just quoting the portion u requested for.
Sorah Shuára (# 42), ayat # 23:
"Qul-la asálokum alaihey ajran illal muwaddatah fil-qurba"***
translation:
"Oh Rasool (s.a.w) say! I dont ask for anything in return from you (muslims) except that u love my ahle-bait (syyeda fatima r.a, syedna ali r.a, syedna hasan r.a, syedna hussein r.a)".
word by word translation:
qul= say
asálokum= ask from u
ajran= in return
illal = except
muwadattah= love
fil-qurbah= of ahlebait
**Tafseer Mullah saltoot (jama-alazhar)
**Tafseer Farman Ali
**Tafseer Maulana Moududdi
**Tafseer Dr. Shakir
Jazakallah khair.
Let me know if i can be of any help
Wassalam,
Muslim786
its is not shuára. its "Shoora" brother.
Surah #: 42
Ayat #: 23
Jazakallah khair cooldude,
You are reading the correct ayat but not the word by word correct translation. Whose translation is that u are reading? These words mean the same in arabic:
**
kinship=ahle-bait (family/near ones)
wage=return (Prophet was obviously not asking for wage , the correct aravbic meaning is return or reward)
the word this here refers to=bringing islam
**
(Tafseer Moulana Moududi
Tafseer Dr. Shakir)
**** Masha-Allah u have a good thirst for knowledge. Masha-Allah. Jazak-Allah**
Wassalam,
Muslim786
Cool
It would be normal to be confused. Try reading the 19 verses that I quoted above slowly.
Remember, what you are trying to understand from these verses are that guidance continues after the Prophet(saw)and that Guidance comes from the Ahle Bayt (Holy 5)Imams and his progeny who are the sole interpreter of Quran & hadiths. Also read my post:THE LEGACY OF ISLAM!
Pls do not confuse guidance with revelation. The Quran is final but only the ahle bayt imams can interpret the divine revelation!
Try reading #1, 3, 5, 9, 10, 11, 16, 17, 18 ,19 first and slowly.
[This message has been edited by logical (edited August 30, 2000).]
[quote]
Originally posted by faceup:
**CoolDude,
Let me ask you why were the 4 Caliphs of Islam from the family of Quraish?
Do you believe that the Quraish family goes back to Abraham and that prophet Muhammed was descended from Abraham?
**
[/quote]
Don't mean to interrupt, even though your question is not towards me. Yes, Mohammad (saw)is a descenden of Ibrahim (a.s). If you read "Ar-Raheeq al Makhtoom" (Biography of the Noble Prophet) by Saif ur Rahman al-Mubarakpuri you will know. This is an award winning book on the life history of our Prophet (saw). As far as I can recall he is the 40th descendant of Ibrahim (as). besides this book there are numerous other books written about our Prophet (saw). They will all approve that he descended from Ibrahim (as).
Allah Hafiz.
Shakir,
Why are u trying to divert the topic here? It is a question Cooldude asked me and I am responding to it. All others please do not waste their time posting things here. Cooldude will agree with me here.
Wassalam,
Muslim786
Shakir,
Good! We are in agreement; but the wahabis believe differently and also re: caliphs where they claim that anybody can be a caliph.
This is discussed under the thread:WAHABI FITNA. We can discuss further in that thread.
Regards,