To heck with Jews

… i think i understand now why “we” (as in Muslims) are in the state we are in. Jews, Zionists, President Bush, the “west”, gorays, kalays, we don’t need any of these bogeymen. All we have to do is look in the mirror at the image staring back at us. We have only ourselves to blame. Who needs Jews - we have our own enemies right within ourselves. A few threads in the Culture Forum are a classic example of my beliefs. Why do Pathans hate us? Why do Bengalis hate us? Why don’t Orientals hate us? Why do Martians hate us? This Forum can also, sadly, provide too many perfect examples. Which school of religious thought do you follow? Did you know that this sect prays in this way, and that my sect prays according to the manner of Prophet Muhammad (may Allah’s peace and blessings be upon him)? Did you know your sect is going to perish and mine is going to survive until yoam al aakhir? Muawiyah did this, and this Caliph did that, and therefore i am right, you are wrong, end of topic. Your sheikh doesn’t speak English well enough, my sheikh does - she’s not a true Muslim, she’s a kafir, she’s going to perish in hell, my crystal ball told me so.

man. Do we ever stop and really reflect on how absurd we sound? i would be embarassed to introduce any of my nonMuslim friends to this Forum. Why? Because i am always discussing the principles of Islam with them, extolling its beauty, its open-mindedness, the peace within it, the sweeping rights to ALL human beings that were ordained in the 7th century, milestones ahead of the Victorian times when women weren’t even considered as equal human beings alongwith males. i tell them, politely, how women weren’t given inheritance rights in most ‘western countries’ until a hundred years ago (at the very earliest); female infanticide was eradicated by the Word of God at a time of such jahiliyah when female babies were buried alive. The emphasis to seek knowledge, to travel, was all ordained by Islam. What to say of equality infront of God’s eyes ? If i go on Hajj, i tell my nonMuslim friends, i will be as equal infront of Allah as any Arab prince. No concept of original sin, i am not responsible for anyone else’s sins and no one is accountable for mine, i am independent, i am free-minded. i have found all this, and so much more, within Islam.

But you know the sad part is… we have the best religion and the worst followers. We have no one to blame but ourselves. Forget Jews, forget Zionists, forget the conspiracy, forget even Dubya. We are our own worst enemies. We’ve created a separate Islam - it’s cultural Islam, pick and choose what you want, you can pray five times a day but you can still make fun of your Muslim Bengali brothers and sisters [don’t you know they stink and all they eat is fish?]. You can memorize the entire Quran but still declare someone a kafir based upon whether or not they follow your school of thought. The discussion, the openness, the sharing of ideas - that all perished hundreds of years ago when madrassas did not carry the negative connotation as they currently do.

We don’t need opponents in the form of Jews or Rabbis. We have enemies right in our own midst. They have wreaked more damage on our ummah than any Rabbi could ever have done.

Our religion is al-Deen al-Kamil but we are imperfect... :(

Re: To heck with Jews

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Originally posted by Nadia_H: *
.................... i think i understand now why "we" (as in Muslims) are in the state we are in. Jews, Zionists, President Bush, the "west", gorays, kalays, we don't need any of these bogeymen. All we have to do is look in the mirror at the image staring back at us. We have only ourselves to blame. Who needs Jews - we have our own enemies right within ourselves. A few threads in the Culture Forum are a classic example of my beliefs. Why do Pathans hate us? Why do Bengalis hate us? Why don't Orientals hate us? Why do Martians hate us? This Forum can also, sadly, provide too many perfect examples. Which school of religious thought do **you
* follow? Did you know that this sect prays in this way, and that my sect prays according to the manner of Prophet Muhammad (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him)? Did you know your sect is going to perish and mine is going to survive until yoam al aakhir? Muawiyah did this, and this Caliph did that, and therefore i am right, you are wrong, end of topic. Your sheikh doesn't speak English well enough, my sheikh does - she's not a true Muslim, she's a kafir, she's going to perish in hell, my crystal ball told me so.

man. Do we ever stop and really reflect on how absurd we sound? i would be embarassed to introduce any of my nonMuslim friends to this Forum. Why? Because i am always discussing the principles of Islam with them, extolling its beauty, its open-mindedness, the peace within it, the sweeping rights to ALL human beings that were ordained in the 7th century, milestones ahead of the Victorian times when women weren't even considered as equal human beings alongwith males. i tell them, politely, how women weren't given inheritance rights in most 'western countries' until a hundred years ago (at the very earliest); female infanticide was eradicated by the Word of God at a time of such jahiliyah when female babies were buried alive. The emphasis to seek knowledge, to travel, was all ordained by Islam. What to say of equality infront of God's eyes ? If i go on Hajj, i tell my nonMuslim friends, i will be as equal infront of Allah as any Arab prince. No concept of original sin, i am not responsible for anyone else's sins and no one is accountable for mine, i am independent, i am free-minded. i have found all this, and so much more, within Islam.

But you know the sad part is... we have the best religion and the worst followers. We have no one to blame but ourselves. Forget Jews, forget Zionists, forget the conspiracy, forget even Dubya. We are our own worst enemies. We've created a separate Islam - it's cultural Islam, pick and choose what you want, you can pray five times a day but you can still make fun of your Muslim Bengali brothers and sisters [don't you know they stink and all they eat is fish?]. You can memorize the entire Quran but still declare someone a kafir based upon whether or not they follow your school of thought. The discussion, the openness, the sharing of ideas - that all perished hundreds of years ago when madrassas did not carry the negative connotation as they currently do.

We don't need opponents in the form of Jews or Rabbis. We have enemies right in our own midst. They have wreaked more damage on our ummah than any Rabbi could ever have done.
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Sis Nadia,

Sadly, whatever you have stated above is so true, but the following stands out like a red flag.

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But you know the sad part is... we have the best religion and the worst followers.
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May Allah (swt) guide us to be 'ambassadors' of Islam rather than liabilities!

Re: To heck with Jews

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Originally posted by Nadia_H: *
.................... i think i understand now why "we" (as in Muslims) are in the state we are in. Jews, Zionists, President Bush, the "west", gorays, kalays, we don't need any of these bogeymen. All we have to do is look in the mirror at the image staring back at us. We have only ourselves to blame. Who needs Jews - we have our own enemies right within ourselves. A few threads in the Culture Forum are a classic example of my beliefs. Why do Pathans hate us? Why do Bengalis hate us? Why don't Orientals hate us? Why do Martians hate us? This Forum can also, sadly, provide too many perfect examples. Which school of religious thought do **you
* follow? Did you know that this sect prays in this way, and that my sect prays according to the manner of Prophet Muhammad (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him)? Did you know your sect is going to perish and mine is going to survive until yoam al aakhir? Muawiyah did this, and this Caliph did that, and therefore i am right, you are wrong, end of topic. Your sheikh doesn't speak English well enough, my sheikh does - she's not a true Muslim, she's a kafir, she's going to perish in hell, my crystal ball told me so.

man. Do we ever stop and really reflect on how absurd we sound? i would be embarassed to introduce any of my nonMuslim friends to this Forum. Why? Because i am always discussing the principles of Islam with them, extolling its beauty, its open-mindedness, the peace within it, the sweeping rights to ALL human beings that were ordained in the 7th century, milestones ahead of the Victorian times when women weren't even considered as equal human beings alongwith males. i tell them, politely, how women weren't given inheritance rights in most 'western countries' until a hundred years ago (at the very earliest); female infanticide was eradicated by the Word of God at a time of such jahiliyah when female babies were buried alive. The emphasis to seek knowledge, to travel, was all ordained by Islam. What to say of equality infront of God's eyes ? If i go on Hajj, i tell my nonMuslim friends, i will be as equal infront of Allah as any Arab prince. No concept of original sin, i am not responsible for anyone else's sins and no one is accountable for mine, i am independent, i am free-minded. i have found all this, and so much more, within Islam.

But you know the sad part is... we have the best religion and the worst followers. We have no one to blame but ourselves. Forget Jews, forget Zionists, forget the conspiracy, forget even Dubya. We are our own worst enemies. We've created a separate Islam - it's cultural Islam, pick and choose what you want, you can pray five times a day but you can still make fun of your Muslim Bengali brothers and sisters [don't you know they stink and all they eat is fish?]. You can memorize the entire Quran but still declare someone a kafir based upon whether or not they follow your school of thought. The discussion, the openness, the sharing of ideas - that all perished hundreds of years ago when madrassas did not carry the negative connotation as they currently do.

We don't need opponents in the form of Jews or Rabbis. We have enemies right in our own midst. They have wreaked more damage on our ummah than any Rabbi could ever have done.
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I agree that we are responsible for our own downfall.
Nobody else should be blamed but us.

Hamara deen ekk he. and its a seedha rasta. lekn
unfortunately hum 70 setcs bana leye. Its b/c of these
deviants that we suffer. Koi Tableeghi he tu apne
book leker ayeee gaaa. Some people are more
interested in poets. Naat waats me time wate karte he.
Phir claim karte he HUM mussalman he. WHY ALL this
is happening. Take a guess. Pak ko dekhaa jayeee
tu kitna Media azaad huchukka he. There was post here
which said that Salman(junnon) ne Guitar per Koran ke ayat
sing kee. Agr ko uske kilhaaf boleee tu laug SECTERIAN ka
ilzaam lagateee hee.
yes hamare dushmaan deviants heee.
deen ka eek rasta he, na kaam na ziadaaa.
take care.

whatever has happened is a human nature and no one can stop it. christ paid for our crimes, but are all achristians equal and united, No. muslims need not worry and look at the things in reality.

I'm thinking just because life is hard...

One has to learn not to blame others.

People are the same. Everywhere you look.

They are just people livinng day to day.

Majority believes in God. I think God believes in the majority and the minority.

He is with all of us.

Time to recognize that fact and stop fighting about it.

Re: Re: To heck with Jews

Sahi baat hai… :k:

We’ve strayed from the Koran and the Prophetic Example and that’s the reason for our downfall…

Muslims were once rulers and conquerors of hearts and lands but today we have become like the lowliest of all people…

Our downfall was Prophesised 1400 years ago by our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)

Musselmano ki kamyabi Quran aur Sunnat meiN hai, aur humaari barbaadi Muhammad Mustafa Sallaho Alayhe Wassallam ki muqaddas Sunnat ko choR ke KaafirouN ka rasta aur soach akhtiyaar karney meiN hai…

I agree we as Muslims are required to condemn the bad or else we’ll be questionable before Allah. Nothing wrong with condemning and warning against those sects that have left the Koran and the Prophetic Example and instead follow their desires, mystic Sheikhs, fake prophets etc. and pretend it is Islam.

If we don’t condemn those who deserve it people will get the wrong idea about Islam and end up getting misguided.

Zindagi wesi naheiN jee jaati jesi ke kuch loag samjhtay heiN, we can’t always be soft and lovely all the time, aik balance rakhna chahiyey, be nice and courteous towards everyone but condemn that which deserves to be condemned and if people don’t like it tough, you can’t keep everyone happy…

Our aim in life is the pleasure of Allah happy not of the people…

…I was reading Koran last night and I came across a verse something along the lines of “…If the truth had been in accordance with their desires then indeed the heavens and the earth and everything inside it would have been corrupt…” you can’t please everyone, if it doesn’t suit their messed up preconceived ideas about what is right and wrong, good and evil then tough it’s not we who have to deny anything it’s they who need to change themselves and their way of thinking…

And in another verse I remember it says, “…do not follow their whims and desires…”

hmm :konfused: So the majority of the Guppies above who replied to this thread, agree with me. Well that’s no fun :grumpy: :smiley: i was expecting a WWIII.

hm well good, for once i don’t feel like the misfit in this Forum.

Brother Ibn Sadique, That line is actually a quote from someone else. i think it was George Bernard Shaw who stated that.

Why people hates other or maligns other:

Hatred is chain reaction(mentioned before)

Its makes them overlook their own shortcoming passing unto other, a sense of relief !

Have you ever seen a child committing a crime caught by teacher propmptly passing unto another innocent one? Sometimes he could be envied with that particular kids or sometimes his own insecurity fear of being caugh, sometimes he is driven by revenge! Whatever the reason in adulthood its very good for yellow journalism!

I blame Nadia ...:-D

Looks like location has to play some role for someone's identity or culture.

Such a fate for muslims for the location!!!!!

How is it that God created the perfect religion but after 1400 years its followers are still not able to grasp it? I thought the reason for the revelation to Muhammed was that man had failed in the first two attempts by God to get His message right.

When people are still arguing whether or not they are allowed to wear gold, listen to music, eat shrimp or hang a picture on the wall, it leaves little time to focus on the more important spiritual aspects of religion.

There seems to be too much emphasis on laws, rules, self righteousness, judgment of others and ceremonial functions to focus on the really important things.

Re: To heck with Jews

:salam: baji Nadia!
I must tell you first that I really agree with u on this point..
I never thought there would be someone thinking just the way I do.
And also the other Guppies..
Even my friends don’t share my ideas about Islam and all that has to do with religion.

I think that because all Muslims are fighting with each other about nothing, the kaafir took their chance to bring us down. Thats how I’m looking at the world right now…

I mean like they are all working with usa…feeling sorry for usa,being scared of usa(what is bush gonna do if we dont cooperate??) & being afraid that the same thing that happened on 9/11 is going to happen in their own country.. so they tighten security in every building.. their so called “preventions of terrorism”.I think what they really mean is “preventions for muslims, or islam”. Because they can say that it’s a war against terrorism.. i can’t believe in anymore.. Cuz y do they have to put pressure on the Muslim people??

And usa is trying WMD in Iraq…where are they?? It’s nonsens… he’s just trying to get rid of all the Muslims in the World. Now he’s going to Iran… and who’s gonna be next? I’ve got a funny feeling its gonna be Pakistan.. Doesn’t this seem like a coincedence that EVERY Muslim country is being attacked..Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan…Pakistan???

If every Muslim lived by the rules.. then we weren’t discussing this topic…:frowning:
May Allah forgive us.

Epicurean, Sorry to ask this, but i am a bit confused; will you please explain for my benefit what you meant by this comment (thank you in advance): >>Looks like location has to play some role for someone’s identity or culture<<. Thanks in advance.

ChillyMilly, Walaikum Assalaam and welcome to this Forum :flower1: i guess we both feel the same way. It feels nice to know i am not alone.

Seminole, i personally believe the fault lies within the followers, and not within the religion.

"islam is the best religion and muslims r the worst people"....
i dont know why muslims feel so high when they read/hear such statements....
its indirectly ridiculing muslims and islam itself....
if muslims and islam r not the one and the same, then where does islam exist????
we've all seen muslims, but since they dont really follow islam, then who does????
its really an irony for us all muslims that we so easily state that we've lost islam....
islam had come to prevail not to be lost....
and Allah says it will prevail, so i believe in His Words and say it is prevailing today....
and for it to prevail, it needs to prevail through its followers (i.e. muslims)....
because surely it isnt lying there concealed in some book waiting for someone to open it, read it and then act upon it....
its being carried on in practice from one generation to the next, in rightly guided muslims....
and just cuz of some jerks on this forum (of who u cant even be sure whether in reality they r muslims or not) dont go around spreading that muslims r bad....
because when u say so u oppose Allah's Words that "You (i.e. muslims) r the best nation evolved for mankind"....
and dont always let those enemies of ours sling more mud at us because of such follies....

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Originally posted by armughal: *
"islam is the best religion and muslims r the worst people"....
i dont know why muslims feel so high when they read/hear such statements....
its indirectly ridiculing muslims and islam itself....
if muslims and islam r not the one and the same, then where does islam exist????
we've all seen muslims, but since they dont really follow islam, then who does????
its really an irony for us all muslims that we so easily state that we've lost islam....
islam had come to prevail not to be lost....
and Allah says it will prevail, so i believe in His Words and say it is prevailing today....
and for it to prevail, it needs to prevail through its followers (i.e. muslims)....
because surely it isnt lying there concealed in some book waiting for someone to open it, read it and then act upon it....
its being carried on in practice from one generation to the next, in rightly guided muslims....
and just cuz of some jerks on this forum (of who u cant even be sure whether in reality they r muslims or not) dont go around spreading that muslims r bad....
because when u say so u oppose Allah's Words that "You (i.e. muslims) r the best nation evolved for mankind"....
**and dont always let those enemies of ours sling more mud at us because of such follies *
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But why is that one has to have enemies?

And how come if a question arises..is slinging mud? rather than just a question deserving an answer?

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*Originally posted by AvgAmericanGirl: *

But why is that one has to have enemies?

And how come if a question arises..is slinging mud? rather than just a question deserving an answer?
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u seemed a reasonably intelligent lady to me....
but....
now lets say i ask someone "hey is the man u know as ur father really ur father or someone else?"....
now this is not just a question arising.... its slinging mud....
and by no means a question deserving an answer....

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*Originally posted by armughal: *
"islam is the best religion and muslims r the worst people"....
i dont know why muslims feel so high when they read/hear such statements....
its indirectly ridiculing muslims and islam itself....
if muslims and islam r not the one and the same, then where does islam exist????
we've all seen muslims, but since they dont really follow islam, then who does????
its really an irony for us all muslims that we so easily state that we've lost islam....
islam had come to prevail not to be lost....
and Allah says it will prevail, so i believe in His Words and say it is prevailing today....
and for it to prevail, it needs to prevail through its followers (i.e. muslims)....
because surely it isnt lying there concealed in some book waiting for someone to open it, read it and then act upon it....
its being carried on in practice from one generation to the next, in rightly guided muslims....
and just cuz of some jerks on this forum (of who u cant even be sure whether in reality they r muslims or not) dont go around spreading that muslims r bad....
because when u say so u oppose Allah's Words that "You (i.e. muslims) r the best nation evolved for mankind"....
and dont always let those enemies of ours sling more mud at us because of such follies....
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Islam is the only way of life (religion) that is the prescription from Allah Almighty for Mankind to have a successful life in this world and Hereafter. There is no doubt in this.

We have to distinguish between Islam and Muslims. They are not one and the some thing. Islam has always reigned supreme and will always do so till end of time. This is because Allah (swt) has willed it so. Allah (swt) has promised the Muslims that if they follow Islam as it is required to be followed then they will dominate over all others nations and will be torch bearers for the Mankind as a whole. And if the Muslims do not adhere to Islam and just pay a mere lip service then Allah (swt) has threatened to ‘disown’ them.

Behold, ye are those invited to spend (of your substance) in the Way of Allah: But among you are some that are niggardly. But any who are niggardly are so at the expense of their own souls. But Allah is free of all wants, and it is ye that are needy. If ye turn back (from the Path), He will substitute in your stead another people; then they would not be like you! 47:38

Here Allah (swt) has clearly threatened the Muslims that if they do not follow the Path (Islam); they will be substituted.

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"islam is the best religion and muslims r the worst people"....
i dont know why muslims feel so high when they read/hear such statements....
its indirectly ridiculing muslims and islam itself...
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It is not ‘feeling so high’ when such words are heard rather I think what sister Nadia wrote was more in anguish than anything. We, Muslims, are not true to Islam as a whole except for a very few percentage of the whole.

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and Allah says it will prevail, so i believe in His Words and say it is prevailing today....
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Brother, look around the world and you will find that most of wars now are against the Muslims. About 90% of the refugees in world are Muslims. From Bosnia, Kosovo, Chechnya, Kashmir and other Muslims countries our Muslim sisters are being dishonored, our aged are thrown out of their houses and are made refugees, some of them in their own countries. Do the rich Muslims care? They are just interested in only in pleasures that the ‘money’ is providing them. Is there any loud voice heard in protest?

We, Muslims are supposed to be the torch bearers for the Humanity but if we look around we see that our corrupt ‘political’ leaders are being pushed and ordered around as house boys by the Kuffar. Some of these ‘leaders’ in fact find pleasure in this humiliating servitude.

Hajjaj bin Yusuf, whose harshness and tyranny are well known in human history, even had enough Islamic pride that he vowed not to eat ‘good’ food until his Muslim sisters were rescued from their Hindu captors in Sind. There is no one in authority nowadays who speaks for Islam and Muslims.

Some one gets up and shouts ‘Pakistan first’, another voice is heard saying ‘Saudi Arabian First’, the third voice is heard saying ……………

Brother, have you heard anyone saying on the world stage that “We are Muslims and Islam is first and last to us”. Sadly it is no. And any one who says it is labeled a Fundamentalist at best or a terrorist at worst.

We have to face reality however bitter it is; being self critical and realistic at our present humiliating position is not being disloyal to Islam or Muslims. In fact it shows love and genuine feelings for Islam. It shows the anguish one feels at the state of mess we are in.

Even those who are practicing Muslims and are striving hard for betterment of fellow Muslims are wasting their energy and precious time in leg pulling of their fellow Muslims (who too are striving for the betterment of fellow Muslims) by picking up on petty differences rather than seeing multitude of commonalities.

If we see in the religious section here, we see Tablegee Jamaat –Bashing , Deobandi – Bashing Salafi – Bashing Etc. Then there have been threads all in Gupshup about which nationality hates whom more? As if they had a choice in choosing their own ‘nationalities’ in the first place. How easily have they forgotten the following command of Allah (swt).

And hold fast to the rope of Allah all together and do not divide yourselves. And remember the favor of Allah upon you when you were enemies and He joined your hearts together and so you became, by His great favor, brothers...} Aal 'Imraan: 103

Many a times when praising the ‘benefits’ of Shariyyah I am confronted with; “If it’s that good show me where it is practiced?” Unfortunately there is no place in the world where one can point the finger to except to show our history books that when the Muslims were living in true Islamic way of life, they were the light to the world. It is sad to say that it is our own Muslim brothers, those who are in power that are the greatest hurdle in implementing the Shariyyah in their respective countries.

So brother, what sister Nadia wrote is more of a cry of anguish,anger and frustration at what we have done to ourselves.

May Allah (swt) guide us to the true Path.

It is jewish conspiracy.
Muslims are fool.
Muslims need learn the art of conspiracy, and stop practicing foolishness.
Make jews and christians enemy like they were some years ago.

And then rule the world.
For more detail, contact me 0800-devil-in-making :smokin2: :dixsi:

Does Islam say anything about hipocracy? I am sure it does.

Didnt arab introduced perfume? and they are great fish eater as well. Fish roe or CAVIER is to date one of the most expensive dish depending on the fish kind from central asian region Russia/Turkey.

If you have some perfumes, why dont you offer to someone who stinks instead of telling around all the world?

World is not bed of roses that everybody is gonna walk around like living roses. But whatever amount, exists everywhere.