EDAL...has anyone ever called you a paindu? Because thats the only word that comes to my mind when I read your jahilana posts.
In the Qur'an...your punishment for sleeping around is the same as that of a woman. So no, its not different. Its exactly the same. And even though you have asked for forgiveness and landed yourself a nice, clean vessel through which you can procreate...it doesnt mean you are forgiven. To ask for forgiveness is to mend your ways, change your thought process and realize what you did was wrong. Not justify it by blaming it on your gender or "boys will be boys". That wont fly when you're standing in front of Allah swt on the Day of Judgement. Lets screw every woman on the planet, say sorry and marry a virgin. YAY! We're home free now guys!
You may have asked for forgiveness...but you didnt change your ways or your mentality. You still think of women as objects...clean objects...dirty objects...just objects. And since Allah swt knows everything within your heart...do you think you've gotten away with it? Do you think you're home free and now no one can touch you? Sorry buddy, you have a hell of a lot to pay for. I wouldnt count on being forgiven too much if I were you. Start giving sadaqah and doing other things because you're far from safe. You don't have any respect for women...period. That is enough to see your pathetic attempt at being forgiven was half-hearted at best. Its just a gesture you perform after your namaz isnt it? Tawbah is just a motion for people like you. It means nothing in reality.
If someone paid me a million dollars...I still would never want to be you.
For some people, life is easy because they dont pay for their sins in this world...they pay later...
While I don't agree with everything EDAL said, I think he was trying to say that, ignoring religion, there is a difference between men and women. Why is it that all around the world, not just in our culture, women who sleep around are judged more harshly than men? It's because women can have sex whenever they want. How many men do you know that have the game to get sex whenever they want? Very few.
That was his point (I think). A guy who can sleep around has some "skills". But that point is becoming more moot, especially in the west where even awkward guys can go have sex with loose women, not much skills required.
I'm not advocating premarital sex, but you have to admit that a man has to work for sex, and have some social skills, whereas a woman in almost all cases probably just has to go and ask for it.
That said, not every guy or girl who might have been in a relationship, physical or otherwise, is a bad person. IMHO, if a girl had been in a physical relationship, but her character (morals, values etc) was similar to mine, then I would marry her without a doubt. Usually a person who has slept around has bad values but not always. Don't be so quick to judge people, men or women.
I don't think so, why when you can get a nice clean one.
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EDAL, you didn;t even read my post, im not talking about whether her hymen is broken or not, but to what extent would you define her as "clean"?
ok she hasn't never had a boyfriend, never shook hands with a guy or whatever
but you cant deny she never thought about sex before you, been curious about it, fantasized about being with a man (or even a woman), read alot of literature (islamic and secular) about sex, thought about the male anatomy, discussed stuff with her close female friends maybe stumbled onto some porn by accident, these are all natural things yet she didnt come close physically to a man.
what do you think about that? Does it scare you? Do you still see her as this virgin mary figure who can be the mother of your kids?
EDAL, you didn;t even read my post, im not talking about whether her hymen is broken or not, but to what extent would you define her as "clean"?
ok she hasn't never had a boyfriend, never shook hands with a guy or whatever
but you cant deny she never thought about sex before you, been curious about it, fantasized about being with a man **(or even a woman), read alot of literature (islamic and secular) about sex, thought about the male anatomy, discussed stuff with her close female friends **maybe stumbled onto some porn by accident, these are all natural things yet she didnt come close physically to a man.
what do you think about that? Does it scare you? Do you still see her as this virgin mary figure who can be the mother of your kids?
so you saying, its just as bad as a slut who has been around
what a pathetic attempt
While I don't agree with everything EDAL said, I think he was trying to say that, ignoring religion, there is a difference between men and women. Why is it that all around the world, not just in our culture, women who sleep around are judged more harshly than men? It's because women can have sex whenever they want. How many men do you know that have the game to get sex whenever they want? Very few.
That was his point (I think). A guy who can sleep around has some "skills". But that point is becoming more moot, especially in the west where even awkward guys can go have sex with loose women, not much skills required.
I'm not advocating premarital sex, but you have to admit that a man has to work for sex, and have some social skills, whereas a woman in almost all cases probably just has to go and ask for it.
That said, not every guy or girl who might have been in a relationship, physical or otherwise, is a bad person. IMHO, if a girl had been in a physical relationship, but her character (morals, values etc) was similar to mine, then I would marry her without a doubt. Usually a person who has slept around has bad values but not always. Don't be so quick to judge people, men or women.
What?
Pretty laughable statement. No, woman can't have sex whenever she feels like and whoever is available. Exactly what kind of social skills men need to book an hooker? Even science says woman invest emotions in sex whereas for men it could be purely physical by all means, this is one the main reason why woman's infidelity is taken lot more seriously.
so you saying, its just as bad as a slut who has been around
what a pathetic attempt
you're ridiculous. of course is not the same as a woman who had sex but alot of these men who want a pure virgin wife assume her to not know anything and they find glory in that they see it as a form of control so how do they feel that she might have some expectations of him
Pretty laughable statement. No, woman can't have sex whenever she feels like and whoever is available. Exactly what kind of social skills men need to book an hooker? Even science says woman invest emotions in sex whereas for men it could be purely physical by all means, this is one the main reason why woman's infidelity is taken lot more seriously.
i think (s)he meant that its much easier for women to get laid. Honestly, how many men would say no to a girl if she wants to do you. Even if she is ugly, she could get someone, there are guys who wouldnt say no even if they have to put a bag on her face.
you're ridiculous. of course is not the same as a woman who had sex but alot of these men who want a pure virgin wife assume her to not know anything and they find glory in that they see it as a form of control so how do they feel that she might have some expectations of him
no matter how much we generalize any topic, in reality it will only take one person to prove it right or wrong.
as someone mentioned in this thread that some people gonna have more desires and some gonna has less, but no matter what desires will always exist.
so its true for both men and women to desire and then demand for a virgin wife-husband....after all all you need is Yaqeen and Iman on ALLAH SWT to get your desired partner.
Agree. You think he thinks of himself as trash as well? Or does he think that since he did tauba after sleeping around that he’s no longer trash? In that case, does a woman who does tauba for zina, stop becoming trash as well? Still wouldn’t count for Edal. His tauba renders him clean…but the woman would still be garbage. Or maybe he thinks his gender exempts him from that label. He’ll come back and clarify what he meant by his posts…as usual. But how do you clarify or even explain/justify the reducing of another human to an object…and that too as garbage? You can’t.
He sounds like a troll, but the only thing makes me give him the benefit of the doubt is that he swears to Allah that he isn’t. And to swear to Allah…and lie about it…that’s pretty low as well. So if he’s genuine…makes it all the more sadder. And there’s a fine line between being confident in your views and just plain arrogance. And looking down on another person for a mistake that you yourself committed is just that.
Wasn’t it you who was doing all of the screwing, with all due respect of course.
Does this mean the husband isn’t going to be the father of the children - we’re treading on dangerous territory here for someone who expects a pure wife. Because you do realize that to be a special and good husband and father, a man needs to have a good character and not the values of an alley cat.
News flash, most girls don’t want something that’s been used to do a lot of pounding, you know damaged goods and all, who wants used merchandise, ewwwwwwwwwwwww!
I get it! your philosophy in life in “do as I say and not as I do” - how could I have missed that in your previous posts
And just in case no one ever told you, a man that sleeps around, well he’s called a man-whore.
A man will also b the father of ur children... sooo y not demand a virgin one.. lol
going by the same thing u stated... no girl wants a husband who pounded other women
y the double standard? wht if u fall in love with ur gf? would u not marry her even then? And y would u even date someone u know u will never marry? just 4 fun? thts truly sad and shows the loww thinking of ppl
A muslim women then would also desire a saf husband
wht bout the girls? y should they get stuck wth trash, if they made a mistake?
I don't think so either, why when you can get a nice clean one.
and lol... i m sooo not biitter, just pity the double standard
To all the women reading this, don't listen to this bs, its mostly just narrow-minded guys posting here from time to time
girls and their parents are to blame for that. Most girls and their parents dont care, or if they do, they dont do anything about it. Its all about his degree, money, status, mil etc
how often do you hear a girl say, if you had any relationship(s) in the past, i am NOT interested, i have never heard of that yet. one of the reason why desi guys ask for virgins is bc they know there are tons of them(aboard desi girls are excluded). there is a reason why white (western guys) donèt care about virginity as much bc they know what are chances of finding a virgin white girl at age 25. Not too long ago, i asked one of my friends (non-desi) if you dated a girl, whats the number you okay with (terms of relationship) he started at 4 ended up at 7-8 after considering the fact that he is 24 and most girls (white,blacks) around his age are probably pounded (same term edal used) by more than 7-8 guys.
While EDAL said something funny and albiet controversial.
We have to give him an applause for speaking his mind, being bold and saying many many facts. (Hope he does not get banned or whatever)
OK:
Women/Girls:
Let me break it down.
Men have choices. Got it?
They do and can go for it.
In this whole wide world after centuries of centuries women never have been able to get to that point.
Why?
Women need men more than men need women, for so many reasons..even if you take away the sex from equation. ( Refer to my thread where I discussed about Even God being 'male figure'- not 'male' per se)
While I do respect all women for being women, they need to realize the fact that having less of choices, their rantig on men having been around (not endorsing the act of being around), will NEVER help them in long run and when they find men who have been around but ready to be with them only,
.........they better accept!
P.S. Do not even try to write exactly opposite statements. Won't work. :)
well if the forums are representative of actual pakistanis, i'd say times have changed, diwana. your womenfolk seem better poised to live in the modern world than your men, and might actually have more choices than you realize just yet..
Wasn’t it you who was doing all of the screwing, with all due respect of course.
Does this mean the husband isn’t going to be the father of the children - we’re treading on dangerous territory here for someone who expects a pure wife. Because you do realize that to be a special and good husband and father, a man needs to have a good character and not the values of an alley cat.