watcher, what exactly is it that you’re so worked up about ?.. stop the name calling yaar…
Amaar, who started name calling? Can you tell me?
Show me one post in which I have STARTED name calling to anyone, or made any “personal-remarks” in the first hand about someone? MY atitude always towards other was/is/will be “sir” “friend” etc. etc. It gets ugly when you disrespect me and do not give the same respect back that I give you. Doesn’t matter what issue we are discussing. If I present you with facts, and facts from your own books that you follow and believe in - why get angry when I am trying to discuss your beliefes with you?
Its always the TRUTH which is painful, and gets people out of the track. Its always the truth which is insensitive, that makes people mad, without thinking that the same truth exists in their own religious books.
When you disrespect me, you will not get any form of respect back from me. All you will get is what you are offering and it is/will not be a pretty site.
NYA made “personal-remark” about me and my beliefes first and you people have failed to see that - maybe because you “THINK” he is a moderator, he can’t do such thing, but he has - many, many times with other members as well not just me.
Again, its someone else who has started this “personal-remark” thing and I am only answering back - I hate it when bullies keep insulting others and no one is there to take notice. The same people who should take notice do not even bother to warn them. But when someone does answers back, they get a rash of some kind…
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You have to see who is at fault don’t just read the last post and determine who is doing what, read all of the above posts and see what I did and other one did and than come to conclusion who really is at fault the moderator(NYA) or me. Because I know(NYA needs to know..) When you disrespect someone, you will not get any respect back, and when you respect, you get the same respect in return. That is my modo, thats how it works(should work…) in real world.
Religious discussion should be based solely on facts and factual statements, if you cannot handle the facts, instead you divert the attention of the reader off the topic by insulting others and starting a fight and than blaming someone else for your own ill-actions, its just sick and cancerizes the whole forum.
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I hope you can see things with open mind and open eyes and not just what you think would be right…
Take it easy my friends.
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PS: Let me copy this post, in case GFQ deletes it again.
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Agreed.
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O Allah we ask you to forgive us and to duide us to the right path, and we ask you by the virtue of your great honorable Prophet and by Al-'awly'a and Saliheen to grant us sincerety and to keep the nation of Prophet Muhammad protected from misguiders and from which this great prophet fears for that nation. Ameen.
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[This message has been edited by Girl from Quraysh (edited January 24, 2001).]
hehe.. watcher… cool down man..!
i’ll agree that NYA’s way of talking certainly doesn’t suit a MOD.. he shouldn’t be a mod at all IMO…
but.. (this ones for you, watcher
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), you cant just put up (so-called)‘facts’ and expect people to agree with you… people have been brought up with beliefs.. they’ve been following them for years.. you think they’ll just accept they’re wrong…? if it were that simple, it would have been solved centuries ago… it certainly isn’t that simple… there is too much stuff involved… and in something like religion, the dividing line between right and wrong is very vague… so dont debate the fact that you’re right and everyone else is wrong…
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Amaar, I am cooled down man, everything is cool. Don’t exaggerate things more than they really are.
2nd, I never said, ‘I’ am right. I said, Islam is right. You know, can you see a difference in both of those statement?
I don’t look for agreements in my post like most of the people here do. If I was I would be using many nicks to post >
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< in my threads like most people do. I don’t, I gather the Islamic information from best, reliable, authentic sources(QURAN and Hadith books) and post them on this forum, rest is upon allah to give you enlightenment and show you the right path. Ameen
Take it easy.
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Admin and GFQ? You see Ahmad G now? I am not going to say antying to him. I will see how you 2 handle this. Bye.
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GfQ,
I didn't say that my Iman became stronger by attacking other peoples religion, and so I have never done either explicitly. With that I mean that I defend my beliefs and ask objective questions addressed to persons with beleifs I dont consent. I have become stronger by defending against the accusations against my belief. (my belief is what I consider to be true Islam.) I have also become stronger by viewing other ppl inconsistent, illogical and hypocratic posts, as I found myself to hold any such (incostistent, illogical, hypocratic) belief. My knowledge increased.
Then you ask me what wars have to do with sect related threads. The point was that if wars have initiated due to religious matters, than "war" and high temperature on these thread is understandable. Maybe not acceptable, but understandable. Think I said something (as a conclusion in the end)abt moderating/editing improper posts (force people to rephrase and repost), but not locking the threads.
The purpose of this forum is to find what true islam isn't it?? by answering questions, having debates on so on.
You say that even in wars their are rules ?? what rules ?? A bit ridicolous to say I think (no offence). Where were the rules in Hiroshima, Bosnia, Holocaust?? Millions of people were killed? Rules you say ??
I really dont want to start a (futile) discussion with you GfQ, where we go in circles and move further and further away from the problem, the moratorium. We can start seeing it on this thread already. I just beleive a careful, moderated lift of the ban would be the right thing to do. And to encourage ppl not to get furious and start with mudslinging. Show that you are a better person by not cursing back! Our dearest and beloved Prophet is greatest rolemodel on this!! Have objective discussions!
Peace.
Don't waste time, or it'll waste you @;-)
What are we doing at gupshup forums:
We are here to share information
We are here to respect each other
We are here to repect the Prophet, Sahabah, and acceptables Scholars (Shafi^iyy, Abu Hanifah, Malik, Ahmad..)
We are here to learn from each other what’s right
- No matter what background one has, he must stay within the principles of Islam
What we are not here for:
We are not here to argue and use foul language against each other
We are not here to disrespect any of the Muslim Ummah
We are not here to argue and argue, yet we can debate for the sake of Allah.
I ask Allah to make us from those who listen to the truth and accept it.
Watcher,
I think we both know the redundancy of the question that was deleted. Furthermore, if you have a question for admin, why not contact them directly instead of cluttering up the thread with unnecessary posts. Moreover, I think there is a difference between personal remarks and personal attacks, and I fail to spot the ‘dirty’ language you claim NY Ahmadi used. Watcher, make an effort to read Akif’s post once more with sincerity as it addresses your concerns directly.
Ahmad G,
Was it not you, who a week and a half ago, stated that they agreed with the conditions of the moratorium? A word of advice, try sticking to your word, most times consistency is considered a virtue.
Furthermore, the points you stated may outline what you are here for. Keep in mind that the beliefs of all are to be treated with respect. In this forum, you are not necessarily asked to respect what others believe, but you are asked to respect their right, and their freedom to believe in whatever it is they wish to believe. Let me clarify, you are here to respect the rights of all, be they muslim or nonmuslim. You are not here to disrespect anyone.
Amigo,
I commend you on saying that you are able to defend your beliefs and question those of others, objectively, to remain impartial and be able to converse openmindedly as well as respectively shows competence and aptitude. But not everyone possesses that ability, and because of those who lack the ability to show common decency and respect, the moratorium was established, and it will continue; until as I stated earlier a significant majority opposes it.
I knew someone, sooner or later would pick up on my comment on wars. Amigo, there are some verses in surah al baqarah that verify what I previously stated. When I said even in war there were rules and set standards one must abide by, I was naturally speaking from an islamic perspective. Additionally, what happened in Bosnia, in Hiroshima, and in the Holocaust, aren’t examples of war but of genocide, of massacre, in my eyes anyways, but that’s a different matter entirely.
>>>>The purpose of this forum is to find what true islam isn't it?? by answering questions, having debates on so on.<<<<
Let me clarify, the purpose of this forum, as it has been stated time and time again, is a place where people can come to share information, learn from each other, and debate. Whether the discussion revolves around either islam specifically, any other religion, or religious matter, does not make a difference.
You see the moratorium as a problem. I see it as a solution. I say potato you say potatoe. Simple as that. Difference of experience in this forum, difference of perspectives, and perhaps difference of motives, is what leads us to our own opinions. You say, and I quote, “I just beleive a careful, moderated lift of the ban would be the right thing to do. And to encourage ppl not to get furious and start with mudslinging.” Do you not think such tactics have been tried before? They have been attempted, there is only so far one can go, there are limits. And when people prove repeatedly, time and time again, that they cannot refrain from behaving in a manner that can only be deplored, those limits need to be imposed.
Moral of the story: Apni izzat apnay haath.
In this forum:
Do not engage in ceaseless debates on repetitive topics. Do not engage in name-calling. And do not consider yourself to be the sole custodians and thaikedar of truth.
I don't think this is the right way to moderate the forum. All those who have been flattering the GFQ for this unnecessary moratorium are just like 'yes' sir type of people.
The best policy to hold the tongue of some people is, to warn those who use obscene language, or threaten a member, and if this does not work just delete the post. If that too fails to train the person then ban that person from the forum.
But if tones get heated up during a discussion, then there should not be any need to intervene. After all, this is the draw back of oriental people. They do not bring the matter on to an open discussions. Everyone lurk behind the scene depressed and unsure. Why not let the steam be out, provided it does not take an obscene turn.
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NMK Hajana,
You were quick to notice the praise, but not so quick it seems to notice the views of those who disagreed with the moratorium, many who expressed points similar to yours. Because you have not done so, let me re-state some of my previous replies which more than adequately addressed your concerns.
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Originally posted by Girl from Quraysh(20/01/01):
Amigo you acknowledge the fact that you understand that the purpose of this forum is to discuss religion. You say that you are openminded. You say that as far as personal attacks and veiled insults go we should take action. You admit that threads regarding such issues usually lead to personal attacks, and the defamation of religious beliefs, figures, and teachings. You admit that it is difficult at times for most including yourself to refrain from responding in likewise behaviour. However, some of you still believe that discussion should continue despite those facts.
When people refuse to acknowledge the right of another person to believe whatever it is they wish to believe and therefore engage in ceaseless arguments that lead nowhere except perhaps to insults and personal attacks it cannnot be called a debate nor can it be classified as a 'good' discussion or a discussion at all for that matter.
Freedom of expression, is does not mean having a license to libel or defame at whim.
This forum is a place where people come to share information, learn from each other, and even debate. It is NOT a place to indulge in personal attacks or crusades defaming another's beliefs, values, and religion.
Originally posted by Girl from Quraysh(24/01/01):
I commend you on saying that you are able to defend your beliefs and question those of others, objectively, to remain impartial and be able to converse openmindedly as well as respectively shows competence and aptitude. But not everyone possesses that ability, and because of those who lack the ability to show common decency and respect, the moratorium was established, and it will continue; until as I stated earlier a significant majority opposes it.
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[This message has been edited by Girl from Quraysh (edited June 19, 2001).]
hmm..seems to me like mud slinging is going on in this thread.. sheesh PEOPLE need to grow up!!
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btw..GQ…I totally support ya!
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