Time to drop the term "Maulana" and start using the term "Mullah"

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Ya rite the wanna bes. :D

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Croquet

I have posted a link to a previous thread that on this topic, please read it. There are other scholars who are against using this term. and as I asked how many Maulanas do you find in history. If it was okay we would have found atleast a dozen maulanas immediately after teh time of the prophet. so please...find me some maulanas from that era.

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^Shut your trap oye.

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hmmmm so the word is in use for 300 years. okay.
how old is islam :halo:

I think that says enough.

the ‘recent fitnah’ is not people questioning the use of ths word. the’recent fitna’ is 300 years old as you say when people started using that word.

How many Maulanas were present during khulfa e rashideen’s era? how many maulanas were there at karbala?

so youa re telling me that aside from ‘ulema’ no one else wore a turban in that era?

no issue with a mufti being called a mufti if he has completed the required training. No issues with other titles of respect liek sheikh or imam.

I am not going to call anyone my lord. only Allah is my lord. so i can address them by other titles of respect as long as they have earned teh right to use them, imam, mufti, sheikh .. but not maulana. Not now, not in the future.

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which thread with link?
anyways didnt some one say they have never come across an arabic maulana, its an urdu term, designed to show respect.there are often similar sounding words in urdu and arabic but with different meanings. nothing more nothing less. havent you ever read urdu books people use it loosely for any character. certainly isnt blasphemous (spel?) aap ko maulana per aitaraz hai aap hazrat, janab,qibla, bhai jaan jo mizaj main ayay kahain.

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This clearly shows us how Mullahs distort Quranic teachings.

Janab Tariq Khan sahib, what book are you reading? Who says wrong and right has no value.

If you care to think (a kind of difficult for a Mullah-sympathizer), there are universal truths and universally accepted good values.

Unfortunately Arab-inspired "Islamic fashion" has taken many young "so called Muslims" straight back to the Jahiliya. Yes those were the times of Jahiliya when right and wrong had no value. Everyday the tribal warlords decided the "flavor of the day" law. Then they used terrorism to enforce those brutal laws on the hapless Arabs Bidduins.

This was exactly the same way, as these modern day Bidduins are using terrorism to scare people into submission. Modern day Jahils have turned places of worship into den of terrorism. They have brainwashed young women into "danda bardar Ninjas".

And sadly there many on this forum who support the Jahiliya all in the name of Islam. What a pity! What an irony!

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A good one from you. You picked few word from my sentance and made a newsentance out of that. The whole sentance was

"as a Muslim we believe that right and wrong has no value unless it helps you to be successful in Akhirat"

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is was post #53 in this thread.

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?p=5154190&highlight=maulana+pcg#post5154190

pointing to the discussion we had in this thread..

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=133964&highlight=maulana

It was I. really how many maulanas are there in the arab world and how many maulanas were there in the sahaba? or taba tabaeen?

Its an arabic word, its used in quran. mullahs should know better. whats next, khuda, rabbee, rabbana etc will become titles too because you know..its urdu dawg, its cool n shyt..we can use it. wazzup rabbana nomi…nada rabbana kami, all is cool.

okay so if it is nothing more nothing less and someone points out thatthere can be a big issue with this then it should not be a big issue using a safer term should there be?

hazrat is not a term used for god, I dont see too many people walkign around with a dum challa of a title qibla in their name.

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Aren't Pakistani muslims - the very religious - always arguing that we should follow the Prophet's sunnah? The term Maulana was used for God in the Prophet's time period, as seen by its use in the Quran.

So when a couple of old geezers use the term and wear a turban on their head, the Quran and Sunnah go out the window?

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ease up guys i swear !not a word out of you when it coems to legalizing sharab or music yet maulana takes the case. as i said i havent got full information on it, reason i am doubting it haram or wrong to use the title is because the word been used for several ulemas like ashraf ali thanwi for one. now i was under the impression that you had some scholars declaring it wrong to use the word, i would like to know which scholar and exactly what his words were?

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i have browsed through the links that you posted but that is just forum members putting their thoughts on it, no one is referring a solid religious source.

PS:am suffering from fever so if i have missed a link go slow with me.

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Hazrat Anas r.a would refer to Hassan Basri as Mawlana.

There is nothing wrong with this word.

What a useless thread.

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lets not go on the tangent of sharab and music. lets focus on the topic at hand.
Maulana is at best doubtful, so if people who are preaching about avoiding stuff that is 'doubtful'. themselves are annointing themselves with titles that are doubtful, its a little dodgy is it not?

ashraf ali thanwi was born when? again...how many maulanas are there in the arab world? how many maulanas were there during prophets time, how many people gave them a title or allowed others to give them a title of maulana.

as far as which 'scholar' i have posted the link to the thread which has links to what you are looking for.

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yep, when there is no answer its a useless thread.

you failed to answer my question

how many maulanas were there in prophets time
how many maulanas were there in ahle bait at karbala
how many maulanas were at badr, sulah e hudaibiya

ever wonder why there were no maulanas around during or immediately after prophets time?

ever wonder why teh imam ekaba does not have the dum challa of maulana in his name?

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how many maulanas were there in prophets time
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Sahabas were Maulanas.
Most Maulana then than now.

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how many maulanas were there in ahle bait at karbala
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Hazrat Hussain was a Mawlana.

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how many maulanas were at badr, sulah e hudaibiya
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All of them

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ever wonder why there were no maulanas around during or immediately after prophets time?
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LOL, bahi saab just because they were called Sahabas doesnt mean they are not Maulanas.
Dimag use karo.

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^exactly.....Sahabah means companions.

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and what does Maulana mean...not companions...does it

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khan babay

I dont recall any hadeeth where its attributed to one maulana hearing from another maulana..

I dont recall any maulanas among imam e kaaba ...

why is that, why is it that we dont find any maulanas in that region?

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The true meaning of MAULANA
No country uses “Maulana” title: The mullahs have adopted for themselves the honorific title of “Maulana” (which means OUR protector, OUR lord, OUR master) – which has the most serious un-Islamic connotation of placing another WITH the Almighty (SHIRK).
The word “maulana” is a compound word – MAULA and NA (our) which, under strict Islamic philosophy is applicable to God ALONE!
The word is used only twice in the Holy Quran, and refers to Allah Subhaanahoo Wa Ta’aala, indicating that it can be referred only to Him and NO ONE ELSE!
(1) “Rabana…anta MAULANA fansoorna alal qaumil Kaafireen – Our Lord…You are our Protector/ Lord/ Master, so grant us victory over the unbelievers” (2:286).
(2) “Huwa MAULANA; wa alal Laahi fal yatawakkalil Mu’minoon – He (Allah) is our Protector/ Lord/ Master, And on Allah let the Believers rely” (9:51).
The argument is supported by the facts that:
*in no other country in the world this honorific title is used;

  • in West Asia the title used is SHAIKH (head) and USTAAD (teacher);
    *in Iran the word used is IMAM (Leader), or MULLAH;
    *the Bohra Muslim sect head is called SAYYADINA (our leader);
  • in Central Asia countries the word used is MULLAH;
  • the word “maulana” is in usage only among the Urdu-speaking Muslims of the sub-continent;
    *until the birth of maulanaism, the words used among the Urdu-speakers also were MULLAH (fully equipped) or MAULAWI (belonging to God);
  • the dictionaries of the 19th century do not have this word “maulana”, and it is found only in modern dictionaries indicating that it is of recent origin;
    *noted religious authorities of the past also carry the word MULLAH, MAULAWI or SHAIKH. But “maulana” is not seen except in the case of Rumi, who is called “Maulana-e-Room”. But he is a SUFI and SUFISM is rejected by the “maulanas” and Sufis have their own peculiar hierarchy and standard of honorifics (e.g. QUTUB, ABDAAL, etc.) which are not only NOT recognised by the “maulanas”, but their beliefs and practices are condemned.
    Therefore Rumi’s honorific cannot come to their defence. Mischief of the Hindu Press: Noted scholars even of the recent past like Abul Kalaam Azaad, Shibli Nu’maani, Ashraf Ali Thanwi, Abdul Haqq, have not been referred to as “maulanas”, but as Maulawis by Allamah Abdullah Yusuf Ali, translator/ commentator of the Holy Quran as late as in 1934. But the same Maulawis are recently redesignated by the present-day “maulanas”. This un-Islamic term appears to have been popularised by the Hindu Press by projecting Maulawi Abul Kalaam Azaad as “maulana” Azzad, with the dual purpose of making him a leader of Muslims and also to sell the word “maulana” among the masses! The Indian Muslim priests gets hugely pleased on being called a “maulana”. He does not call himself a “maulana”, but waits until others (“maulana” and non “maulana”) call him a “maulana”. Thus there is a chorus and orchestration of “maulana” – all of whom because “proctectors” of the Ummah – and which boosts the egos of the “maulanas” sky-high! Quran and Hadith : Allah Ta’aala knew that one day these intellectual pygmies will try and arrogate to themselves His designation of “maulana”, that is why He made it absolutely clear that : “WA’TISIMOO BILLHI HUWA MAULAAKUM, FANI’MALMAULAWANI’MAN NASEER: Hold on (solidly) to Allah, He is your Protector, excellent the Protector and excellent the Helper” (22:78).

Article reproduced by kind permission of Al-Balaagh, South Africa.

Now i believe this is the link? i finally i found it in the thread , you could have posted me the link fraud :hoonh: (would have saved me 20 mins)
This is interesting i have never come across this before. Perhaps people can respond to this.

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I posted the link to the thread which had this discussion previously so not only can u find the link but read other posts for and against this as well.