Most of the leading characters from “Wafaq-ul-Madaras Arabia” and MMA have exhibited shameful rather treasonous role in the Lal-Masjid action.
Not one of them deserves to be called “Maulana” or “Scholar”. From now on they should be called by their name or if you have to, just use Mullah as their title. Mullah is not derogatory, and Persian literature is filled with this term. For example Mullah Nasirud Din.
Peace.
Re: Time to drop the term "Maulana" and start using the term "Mullah"
I perfer the term "goat" up until the supposed Mullah or Maulana has proven himself worthy of such a title...
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"Deen-e-Mullah- Fee-Sabeel-Allah Fasad" (The religion of Mullah is nothng but fasad)
Allam Iqbal was spot on.
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yep… like Mullah Umer 
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there is good and bad in every category why be baised and blind against every body? does it make one feel superior?
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Mullah seem to have a bit more than a few bad apples. I personally cant get over Buqra Aziz - what a jihadi.
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Maulana is a word that simply shoukld not be used, basically means 'my Lord' and is used for Allah on a couple of places in Quran.
Mullah is not a bad word, its the actions of some people using the title, teh backlash against it by avg joes. Its not a new phenomenon.
so there are some levels that can only be attained by getting to a certain level fo training (i.e. mufti) but anyone who does not have the trainign to use a title should just be termed mullah, or just not use a title.
aside from doctors, judges, lawyers, military and clergy, who really uses titles. why cant they just be Mr?
do y'all use titles like systems-analyst asif, financial-planner salman?
what gives?
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these idiots learn a kalimah and a surrat or two and they think they are ready to give fatwas.
Re: Time to drop the term "Maulana" and start using the term "Mullah"
these idiots learn a kalimah and a surrat or two and they think they are ready to give fatwas.
what does it take to be able to give fatwa? who is there to judge, if one is mufti or mufta.
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in that case I issue a fatwa for your head. I dont like your hair style. Or on the case of Ghazi took part in a charity fund raising with a "infidel".
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To Fraudia
Maulana is used for Allah, but Prophet (PBUH) used it for one of his Sahabi, also. It is perfectly allright to show repect to a religious scholar by calling him Maulana.
And why to call them Maulana at all and not Mr., Why we called ou father Abbu or Walid, why not take their names. This not showing respect to elders is the pratice of west where they call their teachers and everyone else by their first name. We should atleast keep this aspect of culture intact and not follow others.
T o Robert
A "Sanad" (degree) is required for anyone to become Mufti. Its almost 12 years of course. This is what it takes.
To risc
They are not idiots. We are, who treat everyone with a beard and a cap as someone who is a terrorist or Jihadi or ready to kill people. I dont know about you but majority of people of pakistan know how to read quran, say prayer, do wadoo, perform ghusl, have Nikkah, get Namaaz-e-janazza perfomed and millions of other things on daily bassis, thanks to thses "IDIOTS" who learned a Kalama and two suras
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To risc They are not idiots. We are, who treat everyone with a beard and a cap as someone who is a terrorist or Jihadi or ready to kill people. I dont know about you but majority of people of pakistan know how to read quran, say prayer, do wadoo, perform ghusl, have Nikkah, get Namaaz-e-janazza perfomed and millions of other things on daily bassis, thanks to thses "IDIOTS" who learned a Kalama and two suras
We are also responsible for respecting everyone who knew 2c about Quran or Hadith as "Maulana" whether he is terrorist/extremist/anti-society/anti-country etc. Yes, we are responsible. We should not give respect to any two-bit person who knows 1c or 2c about Quran and goes about doing anything else in the society. We should respect ONLY those who follow the teaching they preach.
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Captain1, I agree with you on this statement
We should respect ONLY those who follow the teaching they preach.
But the general consent of most of the people here is to pooh pooh everyone who is classified as Mulla. I seem to differ that
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To Fraudia Maulana is used for Allah, but Prophet (PBUH) used it for one of his Sahabi, also. It is perfectly allright to show repect to a religious scholar by calling him Maulana. And why to call them Maulana at all and not Mr., Why we called ou father Abbu or Walid, why not take their names. This not showing respect to elders is the pratice of west where they call their teachers and everyone else by their first name. We should atleast keep this aspect of culture intact and not follow others.
T o Robert A "Sanad" (degree) is required for anyone to become Mufti. Its almost 12 years of course. This is what it takes.
To risc They are not idiots. We are, who treat everyone with a beard and a cap as someone who is a terrorist or Jihadi or ready to kill people. I dont know about you but majority of people of pakistan know how to read quran, say prayer, do wadoo, perform ghusl, have Nikkah, get Namaaz-e-janazza perfomed and millions of other things on daily bassis, thanks to thses "IDIOTS" who learned a Kalama and two suras
We call our fathers was walid or Abbu or Baba but not as Allah, Khuda, Rabb or Maula, so why should we call these people as Maulanas? There are other names and titles and ways to show respect. Hazrat Mohammad may have called one his Ashaab as Maulana, but then are you saying that these people are equivalent to that Sahabi?
As for the sanad part, it can 20 years but if it is crap going in it will be crap coming out. Is there anything akin to or even close to academic rigour in this? What about peer review? What about academic freedom to ask and investiate all matters. Forget nowadays, look at the impression Maulvis have made about themselves throughout history as can be seen through many ashaar and sayings that have come down to us:
Deen e Mullah: Fasaad fi Sabilillah
Mullah ke dorr masjid tak
Mullah and halva jokes
Mullah and Murghi jokes (especially the line from Mushtaw Yousafi's "Chiragh tallay" "Array sahib agar yeh itna haqaani janwar hai to maulvi iss ko itnay shauq say kiyoon khaatay hain?")
Kay dassan teno qissay Mulla dee baddneeti day Rurh purh bech sarray nay Mullah saaray phoorh maseetee day (From Anwar Masood from what I can remember) etc etc etc.
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To Fraudia Maulana is used for Allah, but Prophet (PBUH) used it for one of his Sahabi, also. It is perfectly allright to show repect to a religious scholar by calling him Maulana. And why to call them Maulana at all and not Mr., Why we called ou father Abbu or Walid, why not take their names. This not showing respect to elders is the pratice of west where they call their teachers and everyone else by their first name. We should atleast keep this aspect of culture intact and not follow others.
IF the prophet used that word for one of his sahabis, it does not mean that its all fine and dandy for any dude to use that title for himself or to bestow it on someone else.
secondly, respect can be shown by using the word Mr as well. what is so wrong with Mr. Usmani or Mr. Fazl e Haq, or Mr Hussein Ahmed?
and if its is a must to use a title, fine use qazi, imam, sheikh, mufti and whatever is clear and does not have an element of doubt. Here there is an element of doubt, otherwise there would be many maulanas in teh arab world too.
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mufakka
To add to your list, "doh mullah mein murghi haraam.."
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mufakka
To add to your list, "doh mullah mein murghi haraam.."
Keep em coming...I am sure there are sayings about mullahs in other languages of Pakistan as well.
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To risc They are not idiots. We are, who treat everyone with a beard and a cap as someone who is a terrorist or Jihadi or ready to kill people. I dont know about you but majority of people of pakistan know how to read quran, say prayer, do wadoo, perform ghusl, have Nikkah, get Namaaz-e-janazza perfomed and millions of other things on daily bassis, thanks to thses "IDIOTS" who learned a Kalama and two suras
Dont forget to add killing infidels, making suicide vests, kidnapping children and calling anyone who doesn't agree with them as kafir.
Most dont know a thing, most dont even know what they are reciting. Thats the education they get at a madrasa. I'm sure Allah never intended Muslims to blindly recite Arabic, it's pointless if you dont understand what is coming out your lungs.
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To Fraudia and Mufakkar
I dont want to arugue any further on the word Maulana. It has been used to show respect and general people do that when they dont know the actual rank of the Aalim. Amongst Ulema, they show respect to each other by calling each other Sheikhul Hadees, Sheikhul Tafseer, Mufti, Muhaddis, Mufassir (and Maulana too)etc.
You think that only you realized that calling them Maulana might be bringing them next to Sahabi and these Ulama never realized that in last so many hundred years of Indo-muslim history and they were happy about being equal to Sahaba. That is a good one.
You call them Mr. or whatever you want to. People who still think that they should be refered as Maulana or Ulema will do that any way. If I dont respect anyone than its not the other person's problem, its my problem.
To risc
About your last statement. There is a lot of sawaab in reciting quran in arabic, even if you dont understand that. There are many Sura's in quran started with Huroof-e-muqattaat (e.g. Alif laam meem, Haa meem etc). No one knows meanings of that. Does that mean that when you recite them you dont get any sawaab. Not exactly. In fact, ulema present this very logic to prove that just arabic recitation of quran without understanding gives sawaab and in line with the intention of of Allah (s.w.t)
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Maula has different meanings (as any words) and its real meaning depends on how it is used and with what intention it is used. At times, only the person using the words can tell the real intentional meanings of his use and no one could doubt that (as no one can know the intentions (neyaat) of others).
Maula mean: Master, Protector, Patron (supporter), friend, companion, associate, Lord. (These are some meanings that I know, that may not be all).
When anyone says Al-Maula it certainly would mean God. But then when someone says Maula, it could mean anything from above (or other meaning that I may not know).
When one says Maulana, most of the time it only means leader (but not necessarily). Since the word is also there in Urdu and comes from Arabic, most using Urdu when uses this word, they mean leader in religious terms (seems anything arabic, we associate it with religion).
Though when calling someone Maula, most Urdu speakers quite often use it for Allah, but that is not necessarily true as there are many Urdu speakers that uses this word for their Master, Protector (in worldly material sense), Patron (supporter), friend, companion, associate, etc.
[Example:
Har-fan-Maula means ... Master of all trades.
Sentence: 'Maulana kahaan jaa rahay hou?' ... Means 'friend (or companion, or associate) where are you going?]
What I know: Maulana and Mullah is word with same meaning when used for religious personalities. One is used with respect and other is used in derogatory way. That is different matter that jahaalat amongst mullah is such that if some are called Mullah, they do not even realise that they are called in derogatory way. Biggest example is of Mullah Umar, whose jahalaat and jahaalat of whose followers are such that they feel very delighted in calling him Mullah Umar.
And that is why it all depends on neyaat of a person using the word (Neyaat, or intention is something only that person and Allah knows, and no other human can judge others on neyaat).