Re: Thousands-strong mob attacks police station, burns man to death for alleged blasp
Wow, some of you are a piece of work. Stating that this law does not embolden extremists is an opinion, and your opinion is worth squat in the face of governmental and HRO reports. It's ok as long as no one is formally executed by the state? What kind of demented logic is that? Who are you to decide that it's acceptable to invoke this law to instigate and justify sectarian or communal conflict? Who are you to decide that it's acceptable for people to be arbitrarily taken into custody and detained without charge or inquiry, spending years in jail before being cleared by the Supreme Court? When they're acquitted, they're murdered by the public. If they make it out alive, they're not given compensation. Many continue to be persecuted, live in fear and are forced to change their identities.
But ignore all this and keep repeating that no one has been executed by the state. Repeat after Imran, the mobs are motivated by American drones and The War on Terror has created religious bigotry.
Re: Thousands-strong mob attacks police station, burns man to death for alleged blasp
You are free to run moronic ideas go wild about who is piece of work and who is not or what Imran says can be applied here , but I am glad you now know that there is a provision for punishing anyone who deliberately hurts ANY religious sentiments, verbally or by action…in many many countries around the world.
You may choose to call this institutionalized discrimination that is your prerogative.
Lawlessness and is not acceptable. Everyone agrees. Punishment for law breakers has to be carried out by using the law as well.
Re: Thousands-strong mob attacks police station, burns man to death for alleged blasp
Please tell this to police who failed to save the peoples who were killed on mere suspicion of being thieves............
Ninja, I am confused. Just because there are abuses by police, it does no mean we should be condoning usage of blasphemy laws to punish those with different beliefs. Why not fight against all sorts of tyranny? Why use the argument - the police are punishing the behroopiyas so let us also blasphemy laws in place.
Right is right, wrong is wrong. And two wrongs dont make a right.
(I know you are reasonable most times - except when you are not - jk, jk)
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I have never denied that the society has been militarized during the past 10 years, you have still not answered my question in post 151. How many qadiyanis have been killed during the last 10 years and their proportion to the total number of Pakistanis killed. Extremism and this law have no connection, extremism has increased in most of the muslim world after the war on terror. Secondly I don't care if the government keeps this law or not, I have mentioned that before as well. If someone considers himself Muslim so be it, I dont think the state should decide that. And I still stand in my logic that striking down the law will have no effect, as not many people have been killed through this law in any case. Education, removal of polarization of some segments of the society could improve situation but that's a long process.
Why is it an either/or situation. Why cant the law be struck down while educating the public etc?
It is great 95% of accused are found not guilty. But what about their lives being turned upside down during the process? I would think minorites would be at the receiving end of such trials when normalized based on their percentage of society's population. Why not walk and chew gum at the same time?
The logic that the law has not done too much harm based on 95% acquittal is flawed.
Re: Thousands-strong mob attacks police station, burns man to death for alleged blasp
"Since in US there is first amendment to the constitution, there is no concept of blasphemy per se, but any **harmful act **towards any person due to color, race or religion is punishable"
Indeed - and that is the difference. In fact, harmful acts towards folks being punishable is extremely logical and just.
Re: Thousands-strong mob attacks police station, burns man to death for alleged blasp
"Since in US there is first amendment to the constitution, there is no concept of blasphemy per se, but any **harmful act **towards any person due to color, race or religion is punishable"
Indeed - and that is the difference. In fact, harmful acts towards folks being punishable is extremely logical and just.
So what is your point? Did you find any problem with what I said or you think I did not agree with it being logical or just that you had to say something?
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So what is your point? Did you find any problem with what I said or you think I did not agree with it being logical or just that you had to say something?
I had no doubt you would not get the point. Carry on.
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Why is it an either/or situation. Why cant the law be struck down while educating the public etc?
It is great 95% of accused are found not guilty. But what about their lives being turned upside down during the process? I would think minorites would be at the receiving end of such trials when normalized based on their percentage of society's population. Why not walk and chew gum at the same time?
The logic that the law has not done too much harm based on 95% acquittal is flawed.
Salman Taseer tried it, now no one would try that for a long time. As far as a mob killing someone is concerned, the concerned people need to be caught and tried. The law does not allow mobs to kill people randomly, at the most they can hand them over to the police so that they can be tried there according to law.
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I had no doubt you would not get the point. Carry on.
lol
Love your lack of doubt and 'confidence' in me.
There are different kind of laws in different countries is what I said, and what you or some others do not get is there are countries who choose to punish people for blasphemy and US does not. Nothing right or wrong about it.
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Yes, and that’s exactly what I’m saying. Make a law that any gathering of mullas and religious fanatics (or any other kind of fanatics) that has violent intentions will be shot upon. Make it clear to all authorities, on every news channel, every newspaper. Then open fire to anyone that misbehaves. Now whether they are real bullets of rubber bullets, I don’t care. As long as it’s the LAW.
Even a mob of 50 people can technically pull of anything, kill anything that breathes and get away scott free.
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lol
Love your lack of doubt and 'confidence' in me.
There are different kind of laws in different countries is what I said, and what you or some others do not get is there are countries who choose to punish people for blasphemy and US does not. Nothing right or wrong about it.
For God sakes, give me something to slam my head into... better yet, let me use u as you seem pretty dense.
This law is abuse in Pakistan. It allows people to be victimized. It vitiates the environment and creates this type of extremism. Lets rid the country of such laws that encourage such acts. As a general goal, we should aim to remove all discriminatory laws, and do what the Quaid instructed, get the govt out of the businesses of religion.
Re: Thousands-strong mob attacks police station, burns man to death for alleged blasp
For God sakes, give me something to slam my head into... better yet, let me use u as you seem pretty dense.
This law is abuse in Pakistan. It allows people to be victimized. It vitiates the environment and creates this type of extremism. Lets rid the country of such laws that encourage such acts. As a general goal, we should aim to remove all discriminatory laws, and do what the Quaid instructed, get the govt out of the businesses of religion.
Now continue rambling on.
Now what? You even have problem with my last post? :(
Sorry sir! You do need your head examined rather slam it. Read and open your eyes to real world. :)
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lol
Love your lack of doubt and 'confidence' in me.
There are different kind of laws in different countries is what I said, and what you or some others do not get is there are countries who choose to punish people for blasphemy and US does not. Nothing right or wrong about it.
I dont know if it is you or me - but one of us has become kinder and gentler - exchanges are much milder. And I like it that way.
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I'll appreciate one thing though, this is a controversial topic but for the first time I have observed people debating this topic without getting emotional, personal and attacks on each others faiths.
, but I am glad you now know that there is a provision for punishing anyone who deliberately hurts ANY religious sentiments, verbally or by action…in many many countries around the world.
Make a law that any gathering of mullas and religious fanatics (or any other kind of fanatics) that has violent intentions will be shot upon. Make it clear to all authorities, on every news channel, every newspaper. Then open fire to anyone that misbehaves. Now whether they are real bullets of rubber bullets, I don’t care. As long as it’s the LAW.
Many thanks but can’t take the credit all by myself, there are others who disagree with med911.