Thousands-strong mob attacks police station, burns man to death for alleged blasphemy

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Re: Thousands-strong mob attacks police station, burns man to death for alleged blasp

@Afat

Syed Ali sahib , my point is not whether its justified or not , or in what context or situations , ..that is beside the point .. also irrelevant is the Other Factor of violence , like racism , nationalism or pure inbreed propensity for barbarity … i am talking only about religions inbuilt mechanism for violence , and am neither justifying nor defending nor condoning any other reason for it …, neither disagreeing to the FACT that there are other forms and reason for violence… true they are there …

But my Point is simple … Religion " … has inbuilt violence …" which it endorses and condones , for whatever reasons… right or wrong , justified or not …
Man uses or rather exploits them , because THEY ARE THERE in the first place for whatever reasons.

@Afat

“religion does ask us to defend ourselves”…

…and in case of propagation , it also asks "
… Deen ko pheylaoo , mushriqoon say jihad ker key , pehlay unheen dawat doo , woh na maneen to un say laroo… qatal karoo , or ghalib aa jaoo to …"

self-righteous reasons to wage war to force one’s point of view…? Isn’t it …

Like i said , i am not into the justification thingum , the point is , religion provides the argument and justification for violence , self defense is one angle and propagation is another angle …

@Afat

my whole argument is in One particular context … and that of Religion and religion only .

the question in my view is … does religion approves violence or men use it on their own , using religion as a pretext ??,

my opinion is , religion endorses and approves and provides justification and at time encourages it …its a inbuilt thing in religion , man only find it and then uses it …not on his own , but because its already there in religion . …

this does not deny the existence of other factors , which use violence for its objectives …

@Afat

..I never denied the existence of wars for other non religious reasons , neither I said they are /were right … ?

@Afat

…and I never said Islam only …for Christian crusaders destroyed Inca , Maya and Aztec civilization for the propagation of their religion …

I think I said that above that these are like same old ranting.

The reason why I said that, these arguments have been cited many times by people who are against religions. Particularly Islam.

You said many times the word violence or barbarism.

This is completely uncalled for despite you have been given very reasonable answers.

Islam does not have anything in its teachings even close to violence, indiscriminate mass killings/murder and not even murder of a single person for any material gain including land, wealth, power or so on.

The Quranic verse you mentioned or any similar verse is vastly utilized by people who hate Muslims or Islam for their ulterior motives.

There are several evidences where Quran admonish people not to engage in ‘violence’,barbarism or ‘fasad’ on earth, and expects people to follow the rules of humanity…even when in power.

Please read about Conquest of Makkah (Fateh Makkah), who could have stopped the winning group of Muslims to kill each and every pagan who has been engaged in killing muslims or causing substantial harm?

It did not happen. No blood shedding occurred.

Even those who killed the prophet SAW family members were pardoned.

This is what the prophet SAW said that day:

“O people! You were bad kinsmen and neighbors for me. You expelled me from my hometown and fought against me in an unmanly way. You did not spare any attempt to persecute me, my friends and my companions. You killed my uncle, Hamza ibn Abd Al-Muttalib. You fought against Allah’s Messenger so I have the right to avenge myself on you. Based on this right, your men must be killed, your wives and children must be taken captive, your property must be seized by the conquerors, and your houses must be demolished. But I leave the judgment to you. What do you think?”

Suhayl ibn Amr, prominent Quraish representing his people, said, “We speak good and think good. You are an honorable brother and an honorable nephew who has power over us.”

These words impressed the tenderhearted Nabi Muhammad (saw) in such a way that his eyes were filled with tears. People of Makkah started weeping. Then Nabi Muhammad (saw) said, “I do the same thing as my brother Joseph did. There is no sin upon you today. May Allah (SWT) forgive you; He is the Most Compassionate, the Most Merciful.”]

I say you do need to get your mind clear on this.

When come across these kind of verses do try to read so many others and if not at least read the verses before and/or after.

Selective reading is not an excuse for ignorance.