Interesting article… Anyone find any truth to this? It seems obvious…
So the many thousands protesting in Iraq were actually Iranians? Oh please! 
oh i would never have known..
so can we safely assume that the few hundred who were cheering and welcoming the US forces were also part of a staged event? :halo:
so american's are already leveling the grounds to invade and liberate and then again invade iran :-)
"They said these calls have not been supported by the traditional Shi'ite leadership, which opposes the Iranian Shi'ite school in Qom."
For any1 who knows a little, this statement is the most ridiculous statement of all. The schools of Najaf (Iraq) and Qom(Iran) are practically one and the same.
Funny, I didn’t see that mentioned in the article. Where do you get that?
The article says thousands were “organizing” the rallies… Much different than what you just suggested. But, it wouldn’t surprise me if many of them were indeed Iranians.
I inferred it. Just as u did with u'r last sentence. I guess you wouldnt be surprised if the organisers of the anti-US demonstartions were tellytubbies. Why is it so hard for you simple folks to grasp they [Iraqis] dont want you [US] there?!
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I inferred it. Just as u did with u'r last sentence. I guess you wouldnt be surprised if the organisers of the anti-US demonstartions were tellytubbies. Why is it so hard for you simple folks to grasp they [Iraqis] dont want you [US] there?!
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yeah guys! the U.S. needs to get out and let these guys loot whatever is left to loot and then let them all kill each other.
oh! and you have to fix everything thats broken even if some of it was broken before you got here cause one way or the other it is the U.S.s fault. and make sure you keep the country policed for us and fix those bloody oil wells so we can overcharge you for all that comes out of them. and help us find all the countries money so we can chose our on religous zealots to run our country. and help make sure you keep sending us food and medical supplies..... and we'll tell you more as we think of it but, GET OUT OF OUR COUNTRY. p.s. could you help us again if we get taken over by an evil dictator that we can't defeat from inside? But do that from the outside too you infidels!
Interesting. How come the hundreds who were cheering US/UK forces, are considered representative of the entire country - whereas the thousands who are now calling for the occupation forces to exit their country, are somehow not representative ?
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so can we safely assume that the few hundred who were cheering and welcoming the US forces were also part of a staged event?
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Maybe they need to erect a statue of Bush and pull it down, some Americans work on visuals and props.
Hey if they can get monkeys to learn sign language....
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.s. could you help us again if we get taken over by an evil dictator that we can't defeat from inside? But do that from the outside too you infidels!
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Did they ever invite you in the first place????
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Did they ever invite you in the first place????
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here we go again. point proven. do you honestly think Iraqis were better off before this "war"?
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here we go again. point proven. do you honestly think Iraqis were better off before this "war"?
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So US is there to give them happiness and not to remove WMDs?
^ Apparantly, happiness is a cigar called 'Hamlet'.
Glorious Iran. :)
Hail the coming Islamic Republic of Iraq !
Let us all pray that a theocracy does not come to pass in Iraq. If we use Glorious Iran as an example, we could expect gross human rights violations, no freedom of religion, protest or speech. The way of the future is democracy and secularism, not appeasing the fundamentalists element that want to impose their radical beliefs on a whole country.
Noah Feldman “will be working for retired US general Jay Garner - Iraq’s interim leader - in the Office of Reconstruction and Humanitarian Assistance”. Some interesting views.
US ‘should back Islamic Iraq’, Steve Schifferes, BBC, 25 April 2003
America’s key adviser on a new Iraqi constitution has said that the United States should accept the country becoming an Islamic democracy.
Noah Feldman, a law professor from New York University, will be advising the future Iraqi interim authority on how to design a new constitution. He will be working for retired US general Jay Garner - Iraq’s interim leader - in the Office of Reconstruction and Humanitarian Assistance. He told BBC News Online that in his view the US should support democracy in Iraq even if it was a not a secular democracy.
Speaking in Washington before departing for the region, he argued that the separation of church and state, although a central part of the US constitution, might not be appropriate for a country which was overwhelmingly Muslim.
And he said that he believed the US Government was broadly united on this goal, citing comments by White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, who cited Turkey’s Islamic democracy as a good model for the region.
Mr Feldman made it clear that it would be up the Iraqis to draft the new constitution, adding that the two biggest issues would be the separation of church and state and the role of federalism. The Kurds in particular, who already live in a semi-autonomous region, are expected to press for regional self-government.
But Shia demonstrations against the US presence in Iraq have alarmed some in the administration. Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has warned Iran not to interfere in the internal affairs of Iraq, and Democratic Senator Joe Lieberman said that the US would not accept rule by a theocracy.
Mr Feldman said it might be necessary to have laws preventing foreign funding of elections. And he argued that introducing a liberal democracy would have to mean more than just having free elections, but would also have to include basic freedoms like religious freedom. He said that it would also have to include other freedoms such as freedom of speech and full civil equality between men and women. It would have to be based on the rule of law with independent courts and regularly scheduled elections, he added.
Mr Feldman, who is a scholar of Islam as well as constitutional law, said there were many statements in the Koran that supported democracy and consultation. And he pointed out that it was not inevitable that the Iraqi people would prefer an Islamic democracy to a secular one.
He also acknowledged that the transition process was bound to be fragile and could take a long time, as institutions were created from scratch.
But he added that if the US was to accomplish its objectives - and demonstrate that it came to bring freedom to the Iraqi people - it was vital that the process be allowed to play itself out.
Thanx Nadia, that is a great link :k:
I heard one of the SCIRI representatives saying that all they (‘clerics’) want is to establish free and unimposed democracy in Iraq…they think it is in conformity with Islamic values. I think thats the best option around for US to work WITH the ppl & what they want instead of against them for once. These ppl should be given a chance. Also I heard in the news quoting Baqir Hakim that some of SCIRI and Badr people are being held in Iraq by US forces?
Actually if you want to hear about staged. Check reuters website for pictures on the Saddam statue topplings. Their photos actually show US military tanks blocking off the square and only a dozen or so people were allowed in the sqare to topple the statue. The rest of the square was empty of iraqi people and nobody was allowed near by the US tanks.
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The way of the future is democracy...
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Indeed, whatver the people want whether it be theocracy or secularlism. Let the Iraqi people alone decide that fact, not outside occupiers.
Ah, Glorious Iran...:)