Those against an attack on Iraq must do more than shake their heads at the television

Those against an attack on Iraq must do more than shake their heads at the television

George Monbiot
Tuesday January 7, 2003
The Guardian

The rest of Europe must be wondering whether Britain has gone into hibernation. At the end of this month our prime minister is likely to announce the decision he made months ago, that Britain will follow the US into Iraq. If so, then two or three weeks later, the war will begin. Unless the UN inspectors find something before January 27, this will be a war without even the flimsiest of pretexts: an unprovoked attack whose purpose is to enhance the wealth and power of an American kleptocracy. Far from promoting peace, it could be the first in a series of imperial wars. The gravest global crisis since the end of the cold war is three weeks away, and most of us seem to be asking why someone else doesn’t do something about it.
It is not often that the people of these islands have an opportunity to change the course of world events. Bush knows that the Americans’ approval of his war depends, in part, upon its credibility overseas: opinion polls have shown that many of those who would support an international attack would withdraw that support if they perceived that the US was acting alone. An international attack, in this case, means an attack supported by Britain. If Blair pulled out, Bush could be forced to think again. Blair will pull out only if he perceives that the political cost of sticking with Bush is greater than the cost of deserting him. Bush’s war, in other words, depends upon our indifference. As Gramsci remarked: “What comes to pass does so not so much because a few people want it to happen, as because the mass of citizens abdicate their responsibility and let things be.”

There are several reasons why most British people do not seem prepared to act. New military technology has removed the need for a draft, so the otherwise unengaged young men who might have become the core of the resistance movement are left to blast imaginary enemies on their Gameboys. The economy is still growing, so underlying resentment towards the government is muted; yet we perceive our jobs and prospects to be insecure, so we are reluctant to expose ourselves to trouble.

It also seems that many people who might have contested this war simply can’t believe it’s happening. If, paradoxically, we were facing a real threat from a real enemy, the debate would have seemed more urgent. But if Blair had told us that we had to go to war to stop Saruman of Isengard from sending his orcs against the good people of Rohan, it would scarcely seem less plausible than the threat of Saddam of Iraq dropping bombs on America.

Guardian

Comment: Hizb ut Tahrir Britain is launching a Petition campaign against the
impending war on Iraq. The petition will be launched this Friday, at Mosques
throughout the UK. It is anticipated that tens of thousands of Muslims will
be signatory to the petition.

This Petition will reflect the fact that the overwhelming majority of
Muslims in Britain are opposed to military action against Iraq, whether
authorised by the UN or not. Furthermore, the Muslim community views the
‘war on terror’, as a pretext employed by the Britain and America to
re-colonise the Muslim world and prevent the emergence an independent
powerful Islamic state.

The aim of the petition is to target the Embassies of Muslim countries,
whose corrupt rulers are partners with the West in this war against Islam
and the Muslim people.

Whilst Muslim masses are staunchly against a war on the Muslims of Iraq, the
corrupt leaders of the Muslim world continue to aid and abet the Anglo
American war effort.

These rulers see nothing wrong in surrendering their sovereignty by
providing American and British forces access to military bases, airspace,
waterways and intelligence information etc. In the absence of such support,
America and Britain will be unable to prosecute their colonial war on Iraq
and capture her oil.

The only solution to the problems of faced by the Muslims in the World is
the re-establishment of the Khilafah(Caliphate) State, which will be
ideologically and politically independent of the West and her agents.

why does not HT partner up with organizations like not in our names and other anti-war groups. they have been on news, have been demonstrating and asking questions.

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why does not HT partner up with organizations like not in our names and other anti-war groups. they have been on news, have been demonstrating and asking questions.
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You don't know much about HT do you??

whats the harm in joining forces and cooperating with others who are against the war? please elaborate

Side note, but why would rulers of foreign countries care about dissent over their policies by British Muslims?

The rulers in muslim lands always point to europe, america and places like UK. And they say look those muslims they are intelligent they are civillised and they support us (Rulers) musharraff is clear example of this he quoted that the muslims of uk where supportive of his bombing of afghanistan and the muslims of britian sent him clear messagethat he is liar and the muslims do not support his sellout polices to america.

Also another point is that the muslims in europe and america have strong links with muslim lands and they can influence many powerful people such as the army and leaders of tribes.

So the rulers are wary of any movements in both muslim lands and non muslim lands such as europe that is why they always calling for islamic groups to be banned and calling places like london the capital of what they label terrorist groups. If they had nothing to worry about they would not be making these calls.

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whats the harm in joining forces and cooperating with others who are against the war? please elaborate
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The objectives.

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The objectives.
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errr okay

I dont think 100% of an organizations objectives need to be in sync with 100% of the objectives of another organization for them to cooperate. as long as there is one issue in common, they can cooperate on that one issue.

Has HT ever partnered with anyone on anything?

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Side note, but why would rulers of foreign countries care about dissent over their policies by British Muslims?
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dude they dont care about dissent by their own local citezenry, why would they worry about those not in their borders.

I understand there's going to be a protest in D.C. next Saturday (Jan 18th).

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errr okay

I dont think 100% of an organizations objectives need to be in sync with 100% of the objectives of another organization for them to cooperate. as long as there is one issue in common, they can cooperate on that one issue.

Has HT ever partnered with anyone on anything?
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Look at the basis of most organisations they are based upon Freedom, Democracy, or other non-Islamic means. Islam should be the basis for all actions and collaborations.

1% kufr mixed with Islam is 100% kufr.

Yes, other movements agree that the war on Iraq is for Oil, but who doesn’t. Most people agree that Capitalism = Colonialism, but who doesn’t. The point is the basis for any action in Islam must emanate from Islam.

30% of people in ITV survey say War on Iraq is for Oil.

There is also a wide difference on what Bush and Blair’s main aim is.

The biggest single reason, given by 30 per cent, is to control oil supplies.

ITV/NEWS-POLL

Portugeuse Poll Institute
Survey On War On Iraq
From Izakovic
[email protected]
1-6-3

NEWS RELEASE (English Version)
Coimbra, Jan 6 2003

In a survey carried out in all of the member nations of the European Union and those in consideration for future membership on the question of war or peace completed on January 3, 2003, the following was ascertained.

Question 1: Is a war with Iraq necessary?
Yes: 37%
No: 58%
No Opinion: 8%

Question 2: Is a war with Iraq avoidable?
Yes: 22%
No: 75%
No Opinion: 3%

Question 3: Will America Go To War?
Yes: 91%
No: 9%

Without the United Nations?
Yes: 94%
No: 3%
No Opinion: 3%

Question 4: Is the War on Terror a Succes?
Yes: 35%
No: 61%
No Opinion: 4%

Question 5: Who poses a greater threat, North Korea or Iraq?
North Korea: 57%
Iraq: 43%

Question 6: Which Country is the Greatest Threat to World Peace?
China: 1%
Iraq: 3%
Iran: 3%
Israel: 12%
Libya: 1%
North Korea: 5%
Great Britain: 4%
U.S.A.: 71%

Sample size: 278,000.

Source:

Comment: take particular note of the last question.

Kosser

has HT ever partnered with another muslim group?

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1% kufr mixed with Islam is 100% kufr.

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for all of the yip yap I hear from HT about the prophets way to establish the islamic state..do you guys forget that he had pacts and partnerships with non muslims as well.

or do I need to teach u a little but more about islamic history.

maybe if HT was around when he was, you guys could have taught him what islam was all about eh?

Seems to me the Kaffirs are pretty good at ruining your plans. Can't say I blame them.

:topic: This is not a HT bashing thread so go and take your frustration out elsewhere.:smash:

Indonesia Opposes Possible Iraq War

JAKARTA, Indonesia (AP) - Indonesia’s foreign minister on Thursday said he asked his British counterpart for evidence that Iraq possesses weapons of mass destruction and said his country opposes forcibly removing Saddam Hussein.

AP

Comment: Indonesia is the world’s most populas Muslim country.

bashing? when u cant answer my questions it becomes bashing?

so why dont you cooperate with all these different groups which have some item on their agenda which coincides with one item on your agenda. Hiding behind “islam this and kaffir that” wont work since thats a lame argument.

the argument sounds even more ridiculous when you fail to name muslim groups with whom your cult has partnered with.

There is strength in numbers, learn to cooerate and learn to partner. pss the message on to your halqaa leader.

If you weren't so closed minded and rigid about your belief system, you would see that Mr. Fraudia was offering sensible and pragmatic answers to your post.