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You have a point, they did make babies so it's not like she was completely denying him everything. There must have been some intimacy during these years. It doesn't take just one day to conceive.
But then again, I'm not accusing either one of these sides at this point.

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Just because you have kids does not mean it is a good marriage or is a functioning marriage. And the OP has stated, that the woman would initiate intercourse to have children but that is all.

At the end of the day the gender bias on GS is ever so evident.

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this is why the poor girl should have married some civilzed peopel of class .. of some standard ..

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I was just going through OP's post again it was quite shocking for me that not even once any concern for those 3 children were shown , they are literally non existent . Seems like no one really care about them. The main area of concern is "log kiya kahain gy".

He want a ghareeb wife to satisfy his ego and his inferiority complex. The wife's major sin is that her dad has become rich.

Very sad.

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oh i think we all agree that he should warn her that he is at his wits end and that he wants to go towards a divorce right? no gender bias here, but if he should atleast inform her that he won't take it anymore rather than stay like a sheep in a marriage that's causing him emotional and mental pain. we've all said something along these lines, you included. now we'll wait for rene to inform her bro of that and hopefully he follows through

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now this is gem of a post :k:

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This is the first time I've seen an argument saying money brings in civility, class and standards.

Would your attitude change towards your husband if your dad somehow became very rich?

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Why is no one thinking on the lines that may be the guy is a sorry ass and not good in the bedroom? May be she is not satisfied so there is nothing in sex for her?

and yes most of the women do not feel like having sex for sometimes after the delivery and this sometime can range upto years.....its just that they need to work it out. Whining infront of others will not help anyone .

Ps. Infact if it was my husband talking about our personal issues with his family, i would have definately kicked his ass.

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i never said that .. dont put words into my mouth honey .. im talking about the guys sides behaviour thought n atitude ..

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hold it, sara. I wish it were YOU, seeing your brother going through a devastating married life and then exploded to blabbing to his immediate family about his sex life. funny enough you people sit in your cozy places and think world is all but full of unrespectful bunch of thugs you can look down upon.

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How very noble of you, to wish something like this on me and my family!

How can you be sure the people who are taking their time out to offer advice have NOT seen nasty divorces and bad marriages or even lived through them?

Just because not everybody here is blaming the woman, suddenly we're all naive and think we are looking down. How convenient.

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yes you would definitely have kicked your husband's ass if he was like my brother's wife. lol. dont be so judgemental lady. Who do you think he would go and share his pains with, when he has been observed decaying away? he is the only son of his mother, who lost her husband as early an age as 33. you think she wouldnt care? Or I wouldnt care seeing my brother crying like a kid when he couldnt bear with his failed marriage anymore?

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still nobler of you, your highness, for sitting on the judge's seat and enjoying your god given rights. you make me laugh.

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Initially when the FIL was not rich, were they ever in Love?

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^ yes they were, kinda infatuation that teenagers develop when they are engaged and know they are to marry. but things changed upside down sadly, with the passage of time.

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ok guys, thatnks alot for your posts, many of them actually cleared me up about certain things as I myself had had a riot with my brother on this issue; i have said it before too and im repeating I NEVER WANT HIM TO BREAK HIS FAMILY OR DIVORCE HIS WIFE at all because she is my cousin also and I love my cousins no less than my own sister.

Now let me clear a few more things before I end this thread here and request the director to delete this thread as it pains me seeing people so conveniently sitting and passing jugdements even calling my brother names like calling him a sorry ass and etc.

First, that he discussed his sex life in front of his elder sister and mother, so whats so sinful about it? we are all mature enough to understand how important a normal sex life is and i beg your pardon, this wasnt the only thing he shared and pointed, it was among many other uncomfortable issues he poured out when me and mother took him aside and asked the reasons of his deteriorated condition. And SARA 516, my angel, if it is something as hideous and a taboo for you that doesnt mean others cannot voice against it too. STOP making rules for others and expecting them to lead their lives by them. With this extreme and holier than thou attitude, you better keep your responses to yourself.

Naabigh, you are right, the problem started with the business that was being setup and given to him, now some underlined facts: we lost our father when we were in our early teenages and he didnt leave us much for my brother to setup his own business. My brother even couldnt complete his education and started working in a factory because he considered it his responsibility to run household affairs although we got pension monthly as my father was a govt servant but ofcourse that wasnt enough. so even that me and the younger sister got education is due to his sacrifices. My maternal grandfamily has been our guardian since then and it was my grand father's wish to tie the knot between my brother and his another daughter's daughter as it was the only suitable match in the family and we do not really arrange marriages outside the family. my cousin turned 22 and her father wanted them to marry now as he thinks it to be age enough for girls to get married. Now a common sense can tell you 22 is not an age enough to be stable financially so he (my khaalo also my brother's father in law) along with my maamo, set my brother up a small business so that he could have some work. Now also know what was or is his status there todate. he was appointed as the storemanager/salesman on the basis on monthly salary 10,000 so that he could bear the expenses of his family. So he wasnt even given a chance to be left alone and establish himself financially. Meanwhile my brother took care of the business as an employee his FIL got richer and richer and obviously when they started playing with money (and you never "play" with a halal money, let me tell you) obviously they started to bless their "poor daughter" with her share too. Now she is the one who wouldnt wear less that 4/5 thousands a dress and so would she dress her children too. And all my brother has to suffer from is insulting or minimum indifference of attitude among all other family members only because he couldnt manage to earn haram and be as rich as them to command an equal family status and respect.

Secondly, some people are of the thought sex is the basic issue here. The guy is making excuses either for ayaashi or yes I remember another poster posting maybe he is the sorry ass and cannot do well in the bedroom himself. Well, if it were, he wouldnt be the one pointing the sex issue out and considering re marry.

even then, sex is NOT THE SOLE issue here. It is companionship, strength of relation and compassion for each other we all marry for. Imagine your spouse denying you all that and can you even survive? why do people marry if they are not getting anything from it? what would be the result other than a complete frustration and depression?

Folks, my brother is younger to me and I have seen his hair turning grey premature because of all his anxieties and I swear it hurts.

Anyway, it was never a gender debate here not it was a bhabhi nand bias. Im educated and humane enough to give my bhabhi a benefit of doubt if she ever needed.

And ofcourse my brother is not cold blooded enough to kick his wife's ass, divorce her and not bother their children, ofcourse they are our assets, the most precious and angelic beings on earth for us.

Now might he re marry as we would still beg him not to bring a sautan on our bhabi and not give her another chance although she doesnt want any, (chance)

Sunnah says if the times are the most terrible its best to migrate and this is what my brother might do now. We are planning for him to leave the country and go abroad where he can work himself and regain his self esteem for himself atleast. His wife is least bothered Im sure because you know what, she left for her parents' place along with kids some days back in order to spend some more time with her parents and siblings and when i texted her today to ask when is she to come back she said she might be back on sunday. And till then, like always her husband will be wallowing is all depression and frustration. But good for you readers, no? because it is not your sibling that is hurt.

I strongly request the director to please delete the thread. It was not a story I brought here for the mouth spice. I was hurt and am still hurt like hell because he is the only brother I have and its killing to see him wasting away like this. so please consider it on the humanitarian level and lets not make fun of it all anymore.

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It was a mistake on your part to expect random people on the internet to be compassionate and understanding about your pain or issues you are dealing with.....most people here are only to 'unload' their own emotions and rants rather than advise something useful........so you need not get hurt or feel bad about it...

and secondly...you talked about a man's problems........thats not something to which most people are 'empathetic' here

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The decision for him to move away from the situation is best in this situation.......he will be away from the woman...and she might think about how it is being away from husband......

even if your brother can not continue with the current marriage (unfortunate as it may be).....he will need to establish himself to get another wife......

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But good for you readers, no? because it is not your sibling that is hurt./QUOTE]

^Rene, take a look at the above comment that I've quoted from your post. Now, I sympathize with your brother and I hope that things get better for him, inshaAllah. I don't think there's anything wrong with seeking advice in this forum..............however...........do keep in mind that we don't live with your brother. We haven't witnessed what he's been through...we haven't seen all the interactins between him and his wife. Aur issi vajha se......the fact that we haven't witnessed the situation......we can only suggest various possibilities and guesses as opposed to giving a definite answer. The comment that you made above....does not apply to all readers. You may not have liked the blunt responses by a few of the posters.....but there are several who tried to analyze your story (which you didn't include all the details about until now) and give reasonable/sincere advice. Such a comment does not apply to them.

Discussing the issue of sex with family can be awkward even for those people who belong to a less conservative culture. But there's nothing wrong with discussing the topic. At the same time....I don't think you should feel offended if someone suggests the possibility ...(again....it's only a possibility)....that the couple is having some issues with the performance of sex. It's not an uncommon problem and it's not unreasonable. Nobody is sayin that it's the definite reason.......it was only suggested as a possibility. Why? Because we haven't witnessed the situation...so you can only offer guesses. And just because you feel offended by a guess....(which doesn't necessarily make it a truth/haqeeqat)....doesn't necessarily mean that the poster wasn't responding seriously. If you think that there's nothing wrong in talking about sex with family members....then you should also be able to listen to/talk about various issues regarding sex. Maturity is required in not only responding to a question....but also in considering the responses. Now...yes....since you interact with your brother (and we don't).....you have a better idea about how things are going in his life. But...let's face it...even you don't have 100% knowledge because it's not like you live with the couple's house 24/7 either. Anyhow, best wishes to your brother, whatever path he chooses to take. Hope things fall into place soon.

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Rene` I can feel your pain and your brother's. Dont lose hope, almost every relationship goes through tough times, arguments, miscommunications, misunderstanding, curse of evil eye, etc. May Allah bring peace and serenity in all of your lives, and clean your hearts towards each other, so you all can enjoy the bounties of life. There is this name of Allah, Al-Wadud, it means the Most Loving, your brother can recite it on any food or water and give it to your bhabhi. Ask him to do it everyday for few days. It can make two hearts intimate, and loving. Allah's 99 names have intense healing powers, trust me .. have faith.

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dig him more. seems like someone is already in his life.
no one takes such a big step, especially when kids are involved, until they have someone's back. cuz how can one be so sure that even if he marries for the second time, everything will go as plan????

I think he is seeing some other woman.