Things that (should) make u go hmmmmm

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O Curious one.

Lady Fatimah (May Allah be pleased with her) with all her excellent qualities is a Human and as the rule goes, Humans do err.

Anger of Hz. Fatimah (ra) has to be justified. She can be angry with someone without knowing the full reasons.

I have just given you reference that proved that she was pleased with Abu Bakr (ra) before she died.

I am glad that you did not deny the fact there are narrations in your books that on occasion she was angry with Hz. Ali bin Abi Talib too.

Just to test your curiosity and thirst for ‘knowledge’.

Do you know who was taking care of Hz. Fatimah (ra) during her last fatal illness?

It was Asma bint Umays (ra) and at that very time, do you know who she was married to?

Surprise, Surprise! She was married to Hazrat Abu Bakr As –Sadiq (ra). Yes, you have read it correctly and there is no slip up on my part.

Hazrat Abu Bakr (ra) had sent her to look after ailing Hazrat Fatimah (ra).

Seems like they got on well with each other as normal friendly families do.

After demise of Hazrat Abu Bakr (ra), Hz. Ali (ra) married her.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asma_bint_Umays#Children_with_Abu_Bakr

One morning, early in the month of Ramadan, just less than five month after her noble father had passed away, Fatimah woke up looking unusually happy and full of mirth. In the afternoon of that day, it is said that she called Salma bint Umays who was looking after her. She asked for some water and had a bath. She then put on new clothes and perfumed herself. She then asked Salma to put her bed in the courtyard of the house. With her face looking to the heavens above, she asked for her husband Ali.

He was taken aback when he saw her lying in the middle of the courtyard and asked her what was wrong. She smiled and said: “I have an appointment today with the Messenger of God.”

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/history/biographies/sahaabah/bio.FATIMAH_BINT_MUHAMMAD.html

Great! At least you have changed your tune.

Your ‘hmmmmm’ was rather coarse and out of tune. Let’s hear your ‘hahahahahaha’ for once again.

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Volume 5, Book 57, Number 111:

Narrated Al-Miswar bin Makhrama:

Allah's Apostle said, "Fatima is a part of me, and whoever makes her angry, makes me angry."

I missed the part about Propeht being angry with someone only if Fatima is rightfully angry with that person.

Get my point??

You are making alot of assumptions, for one you are assuming that it was Hz Fatima that erred, could it be that Hz Abu Bakr erred??

Second you are assuming that she was angry with having any reasons, she must have had a reason , or did she get angry just for the fun of it?

I agree with your point that humans do err, but even if Hz Fatima did err then it doesn't say anywhere in the hadith that Prophet will be upset only if Fatima is rightfully upset with someone.


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Again like I said before I can provide you with alot of ahadith that contradict that she was pleased. But I was sticking with ahadith only from sahi Bukhari. As I believe they would be more acceptible to majority of muslims.

Maybe you can better justify your stance if you refrain from testing my knowledge and trying to address the questions at hand.

Do you know who looked after Hz Mosa when he was a child?? Assiya bint Mazaahim and at that very time, do you know who she was married to?

Surprise, Surprise! She was married to Firon. Yes, you have read it correctly and there is no slip up on my part.

Now do you relaize that your point proves nothing.

Your stance on the circumstance and of Hz Fatima's death are not accepted by all sects but that's beside the point as even if we accept your version it still proves nothing.

The orignal hadith narrated by daughter of Hz Abu Bakar, Bibi Ayesha clearly states "Fatima, the daughter of Allah's Apostle got angry and stopped speaking to Abu Bakr, and continued assuming that attitude till she died"

Need I say more

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The reason I brought up this one was many people use this verse to blindly do what their parents tell them, I didn't mean to suggest that you can say "uffff" when they tell you to do wrong things.

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Again, this is a pretty futile thread. As the posters do not have any background knowledge on the Hadith. Nor have they spent their lives studying the Quran and Hadith.

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Curious One

I wish you had read the whole article in the link I had given in my previous post. The answer to your query is in there. Just so that you can save some time I have got the bit for you.

“The claim that she remained angry, seems to be incorrect. A’ishah reports that she remained angry. However, 'A’ishah (radhiya Allahu 'Anhaa) was not around Faatimah (alayhas salaam) at all times. Neither was she around Abu Bakr and other Sahaba at all times. So we can see that it is possible she is mistaken. How can we say this?

Because there is proof from the Authentic Sunnah that Faatimah (alayhas salaam) became pleased with Abu Bakr As-Siddeeq before her death.
al-Hafidh Ibn Katheer mentions in his al bidayaah 6/333 that: When Fatima (alayhas salaam) was experiencing her sickness [before death], Abu Bakr as Sideeq came to her and sought to please her, and she became pleased. "

The exact narration has originally been reported by Imaam al-Baihaqi through Ismaeel ibn Abee Khaalid who narrated from Ash-Sh’ubi, and the isnaad (chain) of this report is sahih (authentic).

So it was reported by others that She was pleased with Abu Bakr in the end of her life. This conclusion and narration is rejected by the Shi’aa. Why? It is NOT due to the chain or any weakness in it. Rather it is because it decimates and debunks their entire methodology in dealing with the Issue of Fadak. So, the sane minded intellectual will follow the authentic proofs and not fabrications or ‘opinion’. “

http://www.revivingislam.com/bidah/groups/thetruthaboutfadak.htm#doubtsremoved

But then the Mind-set that you have, you can not accept that Hz. Fatimah (ra) was ever pleased with Hz. Abu Bakr (ra).

So let you and your mind-set type be happy that Hz. Fatimah (ra) died while still being angry with Hz. Abu Bakr (ra) and let me and my mind-set type be happy that she was pleased with Hz. Abu Bakr (ra).

Now go back like the fabled Curious Cat to Sahih Bukhari and dig up something new.

This is so true.

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Sahih Bukhari

*Volume 8, Book 76, Number 523: *
Narrated 'Aisha:
The Prophet said, “Do not abuse the dead, for they have reached the result of what they have done.”

ref: http://www.islamicity.com/

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abu bakar (ra) was more knowing of Islam and much higher ranked than fatema (ra), so i dont think that it wud hurt abu bakr (ra) if fatema (ra) unknowingly got angry with him....

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lol, It just makes me wonder, and kinda giggle, when Shias or other sects try to bring down Abu Bakr R.a.

Oh god. Do they not know who he was.

Im speaking generally.

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Iam going to be out of town for 2 weeks mybe we can cotinue after I get back

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Ok im back from my vaccation so I was wondering if we can continue this discussion.

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and the war of "my sources are better" continues :)

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Either Hz. Abu Bakr :razi: obeys the Prophet of Allah :saw: or he obeys the daughter of the Prophet of Allah :saw:…

Who is more worthy to be obeyed?

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it is said that in the end times people will be scholars of one hadith.

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Obey Propeht of Allah and not hurt the daughter as the prophet himself said whoever makers her angry, makes me angry.

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^ i am sure the Prophet (saw) wud not be angry when he knows that Abu Bakr (ra) was just following his orders and the misunderstanding was on the part of Fatima (ra)....

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Sure…The Holy Prophet :saw: could be angry when he was alive…This incident happened after his demise…

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Oh so all the ahadith of Rasool are only to be acted upon during the time of his life?? Is that what you are trying to get at??

Brother don’t just look at the words think about what’s the message in that statement.

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If you were unbaised you wouldn't say this, you are making a big assumption that the Fatima can be wrong, but not Abu Bakar? Do you regard him as infallible? if not then is it possible that maybe he was wrong?

Or maybe propeht Mohammad was a very emotional man who made statements without any regard for its impact and hence made the statement that he would be angry with anyone who angered Fatima, as he never relaized that it was possible that she could be angered with someone who was following his orders.

Now just to clarify something (as I know a lot of you will look at this as an opportunity to bash shia's based on this above paragraph, ) I was just being sarcastic.

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how many times do we want to run in a circle?

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Those Ahadith that are to be acted upon during his life and afterwards are called the Sunnah…They include articles of faith which will carry till the end of earth, till Qiyamah like Wudu, prayers, Zakat, Charity, habits, good deeds, actions, permissibilties, punishments e.t.c…

Bibi Fatima :razi: died 6 months after the demise of the Holy prophet :saw:…

Can I make Bibi Fatima :razi: angry now? I can’t…Because she has passed away…So this Hadith would not apply to the Sunnah of the Holy Prophet :saw: because it is not part of the Sunnah…

And Hz. Abu Bakr :razi: owes his allegiance to Allah :swt: and his Prophet :saw:…Not to the daughter of the Prophet :saw:…