Throughout the conflict, militant organizations in Kashmir have committed grave abuses. The most serious of these have been the murders of hundreds of civilians, both Muslim and Hindu, who have been targeted because of their suspected support for the Indian government, or because they otherwise opposed the policies or practices of one or another of the militant groups. Many of the attacks were also clearly intended to drive Hindu Kashmiris out of the state…There are no accurate statistics on the numbers of these killings and other abuses, but anecdotal evidence from Kashmir indicates that they number in the thousands. …Militants have also abducted and threatened civilians for the purposes of extortion. Members of some of the groups have committed rape, have threatened and attacked journalists, and have kidnapped tourists and others as political hostages…The militants procure most of their weapons from Pakistan. Although many long-time observers of the region believe that Pakistan has directly provided weapons to militants in Kashmir,94there are many complexities about the arms supply relationship. Most of these weapons have come from the arms bazaar in Pakistan’s Northwest Frontier Province (nwfp)-a vast black market for weapons-and members of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (isi), operating either on their own or with the tacit or explicit complicity of the central Pakistani government. The ISI has also operated training camps for Kashmiri militants, some of which have been situated in Afghanistan…
the U.S. State Department was considering formally naming Pakistan as a supporter of terrorism because of official assistance to Sikh and Kashmiri militants, and indicated that the cia “long has had solid information that Pakistan has trained, funded and supplied such rebels.”
Abdali - Rigging elections doesn't mean Kashmiri's life was miserable. Elections were rigged by Congress and its goon in some other states of India as well and a puppet of center was also installed in all those states it doesn't mean the life of the people of those states was miserable.
You cant prove it Abdali dear - Try again. All you are doing is quoting 'rigged elections'. Nowhere any of your links say that Kashmiris life was misrable.
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Abdali - Rigging elections doesn't mean Kashmiri's life was miserable. Elections were rigged by Congress and its goon in some other states of India as well and a puppet of center was also installed in all those states it doesn't mean the life of the people of those states was miserable.
You cant prove it Abdali dear - Try again. All you are doing is quoting 'rigged elections'. Nowhere any of your links say that Kashmiris life was misrable.
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Did you read this from above... denial is not a good think ;)
India turned Kashmir into the bitter place it is now
Rajiv Gandhi reinstated Farooq in 1987 but the rigged elections of that year reduced belief in the political dispensation in Kashmir, Islamic parties gained ground, the ranks of unemployed youth increased, and significant armed actions happened. New Delhi's reaction was to send in disastrously hard-line administrators. One of them famously said: "The bullet is the only solution for Kashmir." In the resulting campaign, with its reprisals, rapes, and killing of innocents, the insurgents were damaged, but the population of the Vale was comprehensively alienated.
The mod saw what kind of BS you are posting so he/she had to clean it out. Why beat around the bush on author names and calling all the above sites fake, and talking about puppet was reinstated at so and so date, that is loser talk at the best. Stick to what happened in 87 and the folloing is one out of many…
The Muslim United Front (MUF), formed in 1986, which contested the election in 1987, alleged that votes were cast in favour in the MUF but results declared in favour of the National Conference. This caused grave resentment among the people of Kashmir and brought the entire state to the edge of an abyss.
In May 1987, Farooq Abdullah’s motorcade was attacked on the way to the mosque. This was the first direct attack against him. And it was also a sign of the looming clouds of terror which would shadow the valley in the coming years. Meanwhile, unemployment continued to rise in the state and Farooq was unable to address the problem.
Abdali Dear - You are beating around the bush as always. First you said Farookh's Govt was re-instated in 1987, and then Kashimir's life was miserable during 1948-1988 (you couldn't back up either of these claims).
Now you are posting another link just because you dont have anything to post. This link doesn't say any thing about Kashmiri's life being miserable - Apart from Farookh's Care being attacked and Unemployment is (Which is a Global problem and there in every country))
Post a source which says says lives of Kashmiri's was miserable during 1948-88.
Seems like you have some kind of a problem with every link ;) Does the following say anything...
** In the resulting campaign, with its reprisals, rapes, and killing of innocents ....... brought the entire state to the edge of an abyss. Locking up MUF followers, attack on puppets life.. and the list goes on and on **
Or do you consider that as business as usual..... If you do then sure life was noraml before 89 by your standards..
My my my when nailed with independent links now you are gone way back to 48...... Try another spin....
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Seems like you have some kind of a problem with every link ;) Does the following say anything...
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Isn't it from the same link which said Farookh was re-instated in 1987 ?
Ahh and I am not running away till 1948, prove it for any period between 1948-1988. I already accept the situation after 1988.
And Abdali dear you are the one who is nailed here and parroting the lines(count is 3+ now) from a link which didn't even know when Farookh's govt was re-instated.
Isn't it from the same link which said Farookh was re-instated in 1987 ?
Ahh and I am not running away till 1948, prove it for any period between 1948-1988. I already accept the situation after 1988.
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And Pankaj Mishra is too ugly so you don't like him,, Now what was your excuse for FAS, HT and HRW sites...... so so so now from 87 we are going back to 48... why what happened to 87 I thought it was land and milk and honey until 89... ;)
Instead of nit picking just explain the killings, rape, attack on the puppet in 87.... Or was that the work of santa.....
Abdali Lucky second time. There is no point wasting my time as the mods proved my point by deleting posts. BTW nice to know that Farookh was re-instated in 1987 eagerly waiting for your next post
Sure Mod did prove your point so did Guardian, Mishra, FAS, HRW, HT, Times. Just add mod to the list
LOL from peace in 87 to blah blah was reinstated… thats a nice twist.
Another report
His real name is Mohamed Yousuf Shah and during Kashmir’s 1987 assembly elections he was a popular politician. When the votes were counted, he was winning by a massive majority. But the official results said he had been defeated.
He lost faith in the democratic process. ** His campaign agents were harassed by police, locked up and tortured. Five later set up the first group of Kashmiri militants and began a violent struggle for independence **
If that is the reason for the terrorism then Entire Pakistan should have been holding guns after all the Military govt of Pakistan has been doing the same to all the pakistanis for almost 50 years now.
and yeah Farookh was re-instated in 1987 - Fact reported by Gaurdian
Why beat around the bush and now bring in Pak couldn’t you find a better excuse this time. Just stick to what you said.. It all started in 89… Just explain the killings rape torture in 87 and the cause of that.
You are the one who is beating around the bush and parroting the same link again nd again from a link which reported Farookh was re-instated in 1987 Get the data from HRW for 1948-88 - I will believe that.
Asif_K, if you think the lives of Kashmiris is not miserable, then you obviously have no clue whats going on... Can you tell me why there are mass anti-Indian processions going on in Kashmir all the time? Dont tell me they are protesting against the biased attitude of the government in the center, or because of their unemployment problems. I know the big secular danda has pained you long enough, but denying facts wont help. Since 1987 your government has tried to quell this movement through the barbaric use of the government, but brainwashed turds like you fail to understand how rape and loot will solve the problem for the people who ask for the right of self determination. This movement will continue, and inshallah result in the disintegration of your country.
HRW - Nowhere said Kashmiri’s life was miserable during 1948-88
FAS - Source was www.blahblahblah.net.pk
Guardian - Reports Farookh was re-instated in 1987
ATimes - ???
HT - Where does it say anything about kashmiri’s life between 1948-88
Pankaj Misrha’s book “Death in Kashmir”.. - opinion
Come back when you have data from HRW.
Spock - You are the one who is brainwashed by PTV or perhaps the Dandas of Miltary you have getting over the years. I always say Kasmiri’s life after militancy has been miserable .
