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*Originally posted by Abdali: *
Who said we are screaming! we are just keeping the infiltration tap open. The more we open the tap the more bahRAT mata screams.
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Looks like someone just came out of COMA.
You sure did…
A full-scale insurgency against Indian rule broke out in the Muslim-majority valley of Kashmir in 1990. ** Dissatisfaction with India had been building up over the previous decade along with the desire for independence. ** In 1988 and 1989, armed young Muslim men began to attack government officials and Kashmiri Hindus; some of these young men even went over to neighboring Pakistan to ask for weapons and money. The custodial killings and torture by the Indian authorities of young Kashmiri men suspected of being insurgents made many more Kashmiri Muslims decide to seek military assistance from Pakistan, which had been hosting the decade-long CIA-sponsored jihad against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.
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*Originally posted by Asif_k: *
Looks like someone just came out of COMA.
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I am sure that must be a major taklif for you :D
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*Originally posted by rvikz: *
abdali terrorism is not going help pakistan get kashmir.
sending 4 or 5 goups of people across not going to defeat
indians.
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True, but it wil keep Indian army busy in Kashmir. We won't get Kashmir and you won't enjoy the beauty of that land. Sounds like fair game to me.
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*Originally posted by Shamraz Khan: *
True, but it wil keep Indian army busy in Kashmir. We won't get Kashmir and you won't enjoy the beauty of that land. Sounds like fair game to me.
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indian army is no there for tourism related activities or there for vacation. basicallly non-kashmiris dont have the desire settle there.
most of them go idustrial centers for jobs or they can sleep in strrets of bombay.
rvikz ...even though it is a noble thought , both countries working together....
but
The younger generation cant remember but the older lobby in pakistan have deep wounds about the 1971 war and how ur governament helped the bangladeshi freedom struggle ..... why talk now abot stopping infiltration when u ppl had done exactly the same ....
PKC
I think we should welcome such a statements… We cannot afford a war, and niether can they, it does not serve our purposes…
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*Originally posted by Abdali: *
You sure did...
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Dont tell me that a book review is your best proof. You can definately do better, try again.
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*Originally posted by Poodenay_Ki_Chutney: *
The younger generation cant remember but the older lobby in pakistan have deep wounds about the 1971 war and how ur governament helped the bangladeshi freedom struggle ..... why talk now abot stopping infiltration when u ppl had done exactly the same ....
PKC
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Yaar Poodinay - are you saying that we Infiltrated in Bangladesh ?? History padhi nahin kya ??
WoW! suddenly a book written by an Indian is not acceptable what next Gujarat/Asam etc..are the land of milk and honey and ISI did it again..
The Kashmiri people first formed military units in the late 1940s to defend themselves against the maharajah’s forces and then the Indian forces and to vindicate their right to self- determination. At present there are several opposition military factions of Kashmiris resisting India of which the Jammu Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF) is one of the oldest and widely supported.
Try again…
P.S: Next source is Human Rights Watch but I will save the bandwidth for now.
Why beat around the bush, first you reject the Indian source nopw the fas what next…
here try this for a change…
India’s efforts to manipulate elections in Kashmir and suppress dissent have marked Kashmir’s history since 1948, but it was not until 1986 that discontent within the state found wider popular support. In that year the state’s ruling National Conference (NC) party, widely accused of corruption, struck a deal with India’s Congress Party administration that many in Kashmir saw as a betrayal of Kashmir’s autonomy. A new party, the Muslim United Front (MUF), attracted the support of a broad range of Kashmiris, including pro-independence activists, disenchanted Kashmiri youth and the pro-Pakistan Jama’at-i Islami, an Islamic political organization, and appeared poised to do well in state elections in 1987. Blatant rigging assured a National Conference victory, which was followed by the arrests of hundreds of MUF leaders and supporters. In the aftermath, young MUF supporters swelled the ranks of agrowing number of militant groups who increasingly crossed over to Pakistan for arms and training. The major militant organizations were divided between those advocating an independent Kashmir and those supporting accession to Pakistan. In the late 1980s, the groups began assassinating NC leaders and engaging in other acts of violence. Some groups also targeted Hindu families, and a slow exodus of Hindus from the valley began.
The above is what the Indian author is saying 
What!! no good, OK got few more… 
Asif_k, so u had nothing to do with Bangladesh?
First of all that HRW report is dated 1999 but reporting the root cause of the uprising which started in the 80s. Locking up hundreds of Kashmiri activist and riging elections what do you expect the militants were going to do send flowers to terrorist in uniform!!! Of course they came to us and of course we provide all the support they need. You provided P,M,D to Mukti Bhani so we are just returning the favour.
From the same HRW web site Indian soldiers have killed 40,000 innocent Kashmiri civilians.
LOL:— rigging elections and locking up innocent kashmiri activist is not HR violations.. I am sure HR is reporting just to fill up their web space and that is the life Kashmiris are dying for.
Your first excuse was the book you disagree with and since HRW reportd the same you have another, Now I am waiting for the third. try again…
** India turned Kashmir into the bitter place it is now
Rajiv Gandhi reinstated Farooq in 1987 but the rigged elections of that year reduced belief in the political dispensation in Kashmir, Islamic parties gained ground, the ranks of unemployed youth increased, and significant armed actions happened. New Delhi’s reaction was to send in disastrously hard-line administrators. One of them famously said: “The bullet is the only solution for Kashmir.” In the resulting campaign, with its reprisals, rapes, and killing of innocents, the insurgents were damaged, but the population of the Vale was comprehensively alienated. **
When sections of the Kashmiri crowd booed the Indian side and waved flags similar to the Pakistani flag at a match between India and the West Indies in Srinagar in 1983, the reaction in government circles in Delhi was fury. The Kashmiris, or, rather, the Kashmiri government, by not preventing the outrage, had failed the sub-continental version of the cricket test. Not many months afterwards, after underhand manoeuvres, the then Kashmiri chief minister, Farooq Abdullah, was toppled.
** Recounting the story in his book on Kashmir, the distinguished Indian journalist MJ Akbar notes that there was at that time no serious Pakistani-supported subversion in Kashmir. Instead, there was an established pattern of Indian subversion of Kashmiri institutions and leaders. ** From the beginning, the Indians could not bring themselves to leave well enough alone in a state that had acceded to the Indian union - even in the Indian version of events - on the basis of a document which gave its government full powers except in foreign, defence and fiscal policy.
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*Originally posted by Abdali: *
hehehe rigging elections and locking up innocent kashmiri activist is not HR violations.. I am sure HR is reporting just to fill up their web space and that is the life Kashmiris are dying for.
again...
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sorry to bother you, but they have plenty of other jibberish to fill their webspage... Did you read that american intelligence report they made up that claimed the US was going to bomb up Pakistan after 9/11? haha and too bad it resolved to a webserver in India ;)
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*Originally posted by Spock: *
sorry to bother you, but they have plenty of other jibberish to fill their webspage... Did you read that american intelligence report they made up that claimed the US was going to bomb up Pakistan after 9/11? haha and too bad it resolved to a webserver in India ;)
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I know the site you are refering to, its suppose to be an "intelli" site but 5Abi blew the cover. Another report by Harward where Pak nukes are suppose to be under US control turned out to be by an Indian.... I'd say just sit tight and watch vajoos decisive war.. :)
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*Originally posted by Asif_k: *
Yaar Poodinay - are you saying that we Infiltrated in Bangladesh ?? History padhi nahin kya ??
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Yeah, we were the bad Pakis who named Bangladesh Movement.
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*Originally posted by Pakistani Tiger: *
Yeah, we were the bad Pakis who named Bangladesh Movement.
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And I suppose Asif was training the Mukti Bahni in the absence of the Indians?
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*Originally posted by Spock: *
And I suppose Asif was training the Mukti Bahni in the absence of the Indians?
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No Mukti Bhani was born with a gun in his hand, Asif was his commander :D
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*Originally posted by Abdali: *
No Mukti Bhani was born with a gun in his hand, Asif was is commander :D
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LOL!