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It is easier to lead an Islamic life in a Muslim country.
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You keep replying to me thinking that you are making a point, but all it does is still look like you desire a place where your lifestyle is validated (enough to where you think your potential offspring will also follow this lifestyle). Look at what others are saying in this very thread. Even with being religious being the “right” way to be there is immorality everywhere in Pakistan (not even including the fact that it isn’t exactly the safest place to be). If you raise your offspring emphasizing the importance of religion they should be good to go wherever. Living in a religious society like Pakistan has not stopped so many people from behaving immorally, what makes you think it will stop your potential offspring? How can you look at the utter chaos that a lot of Muslim-majority countries are in and think to yourself “at least having a beard/wearing a hijab aren’t looked at weird over there!!1.”
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Except that in the west the children are taught homosexuality and fornication as normal practice and getting pregnant in schools is not a taboo. It’s also possible that a Muslim teen will fall in love with a Christian or Jewish or even Sikh man and the Muslim father can’t stop her from having a physical relationship with him. If the desi blood boils too much, the stupid father may kill his daughter or himself in the name of honour killing lol.
So yes, west is better than Pakistan for some people who don’t mind such honour killings in extreme cases.
BTW honour killings happen in Pakistan also, **but here most people find solace in marriage and not in contraceptives. **
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You are less likely to take a path in a place where taking that path isnot that easy compared to a place that doesnot even see that path as wrong.
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Your typed up diarrhea means nothing to me, as I don’t think homosexuality and fornication are wrong (funny enough, there are many people here in the US who would agree with your stupidity). “Getting pregnant in school” happens and is definitely look down upon here so I don’t see what kind of alternate reality you live in. These “Muslim teen girls” you brought up could still fall in love with a religious minority in Pakistan, or even a guy from any kind of status her father deems as “lower.” Funny you brought up honor killings, since a lot of the times they happen in a good clean mostly Muslim environment like Pakistan where a “Muslim teen girl” falls in love with a guy in general (who isn’t even a “Christian, or Jewish or Sikh man”). People clearly do not find *solace *in marriage since they keep popping out kids they cannot afford and are struggling in poverty. Maybe contraceptives won’t be so bad after all, huh.
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Okay, and? In every society there is what is advertised as the “way to be” and at the same time there is still a side that opposes those values and is essentially a “counter-culture.” “The West” is not some homogeneous entity as there are countries that are generally more liberal (The Scandinavian countries) and the US which is a lot more conservative than what a lot of you think it is. There are still conservative religious folk alive and well living their lifestyles and pushing their values out there despite the media being “mostly liberal.” Your potential offspring, wherever they may be, can easily engage in “sin” wherever they are. It is up to you to instill your values in them.
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Homosexuality may not be wrong for you, then beastiality (zoophilia) and what’s next? Incest may also be alright for you. But most people in this world will not agree with you, and living in a civilised country you should respect and obey the decision of majority (democratic right) that homosexuality, fornication, adultery, beastiality and incest are wrong.
Last time I checked zoophilia is legalised in the US army; probably in a few years it should be legal in some states of US as well. And then we will see marriages like these:
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There is a huuuuuuuge difference between the values and ideals that western and Pakistani society espouse. I agree with the OP that it would be easier to maintain our Islamic and cultural values living in Pakistan. It would be better to live in Pakistan then to live in a country where fag*gotry is celebrated and you can see girls with booty shorts outside in the summer, astaghfar
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Funny you bring up incest since cousin-cousin marriages are given the OK in Pakistani culture, and that is definitely incest.
Also: homosexuality is not comparable to bestiality because it deals with humans that are attracted to other humans. Zoophilia/bestiality is obviously immoral because it deals with different species and animals cannot give consent. I don’t give a sh*t if the “majority of the world” might not agree with me. After all, just because it is popular opinion does not mean that it is morally right. I don’t have to respect your opinion. I can’t force you out of your worldview, but I don’t respect your opinion and the opinions of others like you.
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Okay, and? In every society there is what is advertised as the “way to be” and at the same time there is still a side that opposes those values and is essentially a “counter-culture.” “The West” is not some homogeneous entity as there are countries that are generally more liberal (The Scandinavian countries) and the US which is a lot more conservative than what a lot of you think it is. There are still conservative religious folk alive and well living their lifestyles and pushing their values out there despite the media being “mostly liberal.” Your potential offspring, wherever they may be, can easily engage in “sin” wherever they are. It is up to you to instill your values in
One is a better environment to raise children the other isnot. In one enviroment a certain type of people are celebrated and likely to get jobs and ahead in the other enviroment another type are celebrated and get ahead.not conservative its a place that encourages drinking,clubbing, gf/bf culture etc these things are common ,accepted and start at a young age. Whereas somewhere else they are haram and people would hide that they engage in such activties because these acts are seen as shameful and wrong. Its still better, you really cant compare both the environments and say it makes no difference, one actually is better. Leaving though would mean making a lot of sacrifices for environment and that may or maynot be wise.
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You essentially are talking in a circle at this point, which makes me wonder why you created this thread like you were truly asking to see which environment would be better to live in when clearly you already have your mind made up. Seems like you want validation for your potential choices at this point because you seem to be set in stone with this idea that it is “encouraged at a young age” to go drinking and clubbing (as if there isn’t an entire contingent in America that actively discourages this and paints people who do stuff like this as lazy and irresponsible). You trying to assert that a culture that openly discourages “bf/gf” culture but still has many people engaging in is better is laughable but it goes along with your affinity for this performative religiousness. .
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I truly believe that a lot of you either live in a bubble or have never actually resided in America for you to be making the claims you are making. It is truly phenomenal what you people think is actually going on here.
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I was more so trying to work out if living in a non Muslim country is okay from a religious point of view . so what the right thing to do is “religiously”. i did not word/ask the question correctly it should have said if there is anything in Quran or Hadith that either says its okay to live in such places or says its best not to and that living in Muslim/Islamic countries is encouraged religiously … more so for my own understanding/knowledge , not to move out next month.
you seem to think its insane to leave a place that offers a good life for the sake of a “so called Islamic environment”. My only point is that there actually is a difference between Islamic and non Muslim countries and this difference makes me think if it might religiously better to live in a place that encourages a more religious life-style or is the aim just to be religious whereever you are…
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Cousin marriage is incest? Does it mean in the west people are given birth to by their aunts and through uncles and not always their own biological fathers and mothers?
Homosexuality is about the reproductive parts getting attracted to the digestive parts. Do you find a link between the two except a hole? Holes maybe made in the ground or into a wall, but then will it make sense?
Let’s say it makes sense to your ‘science’, because according to the atheist-scientists gays are born as gays. Then why can’t some Zoophilic humans are born with the love for a dog’s rectum or a monkey’s erected part?
What is the definition of ‘immoral’? lol
It’s all about love and affection. Why immoral? And who says the animal doesn’t give its consent in a ‘love act’ with its human captor? Do you think all animals are rapists and they don’t have desires to make love with their partners?
What if a dog or a monkey takes a leading position with its human partner? Do you see a consent here?
Yes, please don’t give a $hit. Thanks!
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Cousin-cousin marriage is incest because you and your cousins share grandparents. They are still your biological family no matter how many mental gymnastics you want to take to make it seem OK just because it has that Islamic Approval (which seems to be the only thing that guides your sense of morality, lmao).
Your definition of homosexuality is laughable. Homosexuality is being same-sex attracted. Last time I checked, it is literally just wanting to be romantically/sexually involved with the same sex and not whatever mumbo jumbo you typed up to make it seem disgusting.
Human-human attraction is natural because we are humans. Bestiality/Zoophilia is characterized is a paraphilia which is “a condition characterized by abnormal sexual desires, typically involving extreme or dangerous activities.” It is considered abnormal because other animals and humans are different species. Not comparable, but of course the likes of you want to make that leap for, again, mental gymnastics.
You religious folk are truly a joke where you compare two humans with zoophilia trying to make homosexuality look absurd. Animals do not have the evolved mind that humans do. Animals can never give consent and they are of a different species.
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Because it is. Your are compromising safety and quality of life for this.
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The definition of incest proves you wrong, idiot.
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Even if we put religions aside these are two different definitions of incest different people are talking about. And I think one is free to pick whatever they think is right.
In west, yes the definition broadcasted is the same that cousins relationship is incest as well. and that too is since the recent past. Go few decades back and cousins marriage was a norm.
Not in east. In east its direct siblings or its not.
Pick any you want. As long as you are satisfied, who cares.
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It literally doesn’t.
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It does.