The true cost of Pak diffidence & obstinacy in the WOT

[La_Parisienne]

Re: The true cost of Pak diffidence & obstinacy in the WOT

@Med911 -how can you claim there is no evidence that anyone shielded OBL? How about:

1) Him being housed in a mansion close to 3 regiments, your military academy, neighbor to more than one retired officer?
2) A guy that required dialysis - did that service happen magically?
3) How many dignitaries would have visited that area? Over all these years you mean there was not one sweep or questions asked about who lives in that new compound?
4) In an atmosphere of attacks against military, you mean there was no question asked about who is moving in with 800 meters of the academy?
5) three families lives in that compound. Nobody knew anything about them for years?

[Zero_one]

Re: The true cost of Pak diffidence & obstinacy in the WOT

Blame Zia-ul-Haq and his cronies who prepared the field in the 80's ..... the Crop and it's ramification are what we r reaping today and in future :(

Just trace back where it all began and soon one will realise to see the whole picture and not just few artifacts

[Med911]

Re: The true cost of Pak diffidence & obstinacy in the WOT

@La_Parisienne

@Med911 -how can you claim there is no evidence that anyone shielded OBL? How about:

1) Him being housed in a mansion close to 3 regiments, your military academy, neighbor to more than one retired officer? 2) A guy that required dialysis - did that service happen magically? 3) How many dignitaries would have visited that area? Over all these years you mean there was not one sweep or questions asked about who lives in that new compound? 4) In an atmosphere of attacks against military, you mean there was no question asked about who is moving in with 800 meters of the academy? 5) three families lives in that compound. Nobody knew anything about them for years?

I dont buy this nonsense about the house. So what, he never left the house. Have you ever been to Pakistan? MANY rich people live in compounds. The existence of such a compound does not in itself mean that OBL living on one.

The story of him needing dialysis is also nonsense. There is no evidence of this.

What dignitaries? Al Qaeda's Obama equivalent is going to visit him?

They would ask who lived there if they had a reason to. If they are nothing more then a bunch of ultra conservative Pathans, then there are millions of those in Pakistan. No one bothers them.

Pakistanis have an extraordinary ability of ignoring things even at the worst of times, and jsut minfding their own business... There are many houses being built, perhaps they are more concerned with looking for Osama in the tribal belt.

Also, even if they had gone to the door to see who these people were, Osama wouldn't have been the one to open the door, thats a guarantee. And I doubt any Pakistani male would go investigating inside a house where there a Women in Purda, and even more so in a house of ultra conservative Pathans. No one is going to the extrordinary length of offending the sensibilities of these people on nothing more then a flimsy suspicion. I dont think it would be that difficult for Osama to hide in there.

Three families, although I dont know how anyone would know who is living in there, is irrelevant. I know a Household in Jhelum with 3 or more families living in the same compound. Why should that raise any suspicions that OSAMA BIN LADEN is living there.

People would obviously consider these people eccentric, and weird. But suddenly jumping to the conclusion that OSAMA must be hiding in there seems inconceivable.

[Med911]

Re: The true cost of Pak diffidence & obstinacy in the WOT

@La_Parisienne

@Med911 -how can you claim there is no evidence that anyone shielded OBL? How about:

1) Him being housed in a mansion close to 3 regiments, your military academy, neighbor to more than one retired officer? 2) A guy that required dialysis - did that service happen magically? 3) How many dignitaries would have visited that area? Over all these years you mean there was not one sweep or questions asked about who lives in that new compound? 4) In an atmosphere of attacks against military, you mean there was no question asked about who is moving in with 800 meters of the academy? 5) three families lives in that compound. Nobody knew anything about them for years?

And even if they theoretically they did know, how would that have changed anything. Your entire premise is off.

[La_Parisienne]

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@Med911

1) dignitaries that visit the academy.

2) the mansion wasn't always there. It was built post 9/11. within 800mts of the academy.

[javedmiandad]

Re: The true cost of Pak diffidence & obstinacy in the WOT

If Pak military including the ISI had not played the double games that is now clear that they have been, we could have captured OBL a long time ago; more importantly:

• terrorist camps and leaders would have been neutralized without so many soldiers dying

• no drone attacks would have been necessary, thus sparing the dozens of civilian collataeral & mistaken damage

• US would have saved hundreds of billions in scaled down operations in Afghanistan

• Not only Pakistan but Afghanistan would haave also be on a much more peaceful trajectory by now

If only they hadn't shielded him, lied about it and played double games.

Disgusting.

My apologies to patriotic Pakistanis but this is how I feel.

Pakistan handed bin ladin to the US on a plate they did'nt play double games. If you look at previous figures handed to the US, Faraj al-Libbi, Khalid Shiekh Mohammed, Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani all were arreseted in areas close to military establishments.

If the war cost the US hundreds of billions its not enough i wish there economy becomes bankrupt as a result and it will be a great day for entire world to see it's economy destroyed as a result.

this is America's war not pakistan's if you want to blame someone blame the terrorist government of america.

the only point i agree with you is the poor people killed in pakistan and afghanistan hundreds of thousands innocent people killed mainly by the USA war machine!

[Med911]

Re: The true cost of Pak diffidence & obstinacy in the WOT

@Med911

1) dignitaries that visit the academy.

2) the mansion wasn't always there. It was built post 9/11. within 800mts of the academy.

Dignitaries might visit the academy, but why would a dignitary want to go visit the haveli? All Osama has to do is stay in his room and not make any phone calls.

So what? There are THOUSANDS of mansions built in Pakistan post 9/11. There are mansions not far from many military instalation in Pakistan. But to jump to the conclusion that any mansion regardless of its size is being built to house Osama, really is inconcievable.

Think about it yourself.. Why would anyone suspect Osama to be living there? Should we search every single Mansion in Pakistan built anywhere near a military academy or base?

And even if they had checked who livied there, do you think the inhabitants would have told them Osama is living there?!?!

[Med911]

Re: The true cost of Pak diffidence & obstinacy in the WOT

Also, according to Osamas wife, he was not on dialysis, and he was healthy. He had gotten some surgery in Afghanistan during the Taliban regime, but was healthy since then, and did not require treatment.

http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/07/osama-lived-in-haripur-before-moving-to-abbottabad-wife.html

[indik]

Re: The true cost of Pak diffidence & obstinacy in the WOT

@Med911

Also, according to Osamas wife, he was not on dialysis, and he was healthy. He had gotten some surgery in Afghanistan during the Taliban regime, but was healthy since then, and did not require treatment.

http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/07/osama-lived-in-haripur-before-moving-to-abbottabad-wife.html

where is the proof ? this is all conspiracy of c.i.a. whole world is against pakistan a peace lovers paradise . osama was agent of america , la parisia is raw and mosad agent they just want to malign image of pakistan,al qaida,isi,let,ttp. hindu zionist are all jealous of pakistan which is most capable atomic power of the world.

[javedmiandad]

Re: The true cost of Pak diffidence & obstinacy in the WOT

where is the proof ? this is all conspiracy of c.i.a. whole world is against pakistan a peace lovers paradise . osama was agent of america , la parisia is raw and mosad agent they just want to malign image of pakistan,al qaida,isi,let,ttp. hindu zionist are all jealous of pakistan which is most capable atomic power of the world.

what drugs are you on?

[indik]

Re: The true cost of Pak diffidence & obstinacy in the WOT

what drugs are you on?

nothing only a dose of medica obamia conspitrato theoria la abbotabadia , this is used to treat persons affected by nuclear power state syndrome ,this disease is mostly found in country where people are experienced in blowing up themselves.

[webmister]

Re: The true cost of Pak diffidence & obstinacy in the WOT

where is the proof ? this is all conspiracy of c.i.a. whole world is against pakistan a peace lovers paradise . osama was agent of america , la parisia is raw and mosad agent they just want to malign image of pakistan,al qaida,isi,let,ttp. hindu zionist are all jealous of pakistan which is most capable atomic power of the world.

nothing only a dose of medica obamia conspitrato theoria la abbotabadia , this is used to treat persons affected by nuclear power state syndrome ,this disease is mostly found in country where people are experienced in blowing up themselves.

Pakistan ke haalat ne aik aur Indian ko khushi ke maare paghal kar diya.

[javedmiandad]

Re: The true cost of Pak diffidence & obstinacy in the WOT

nothing only a dose of medica obamia conspitrato theoria la abbotabadia , this is used to treat persons affected by nuclear power state syndrome ,this disease is mostly found in country where people are experienced in blowing up themselves.

I think you need a doctor quickly

[La_Parisienne]

Re: The true cost of Pak diffidence & obstinacy in the WOT

@Med911 - when dignitaries visit it is normal practice to scan the area for a mile or so around. Particularly after targeted attacks on ghq it is very odd that there were no security csans around the academy.

@javedmiandad - obl is not the same as the others handed over - in fact Pak hardly ever "handed" anybody over. At best they were reluctant participants in joint ops.

[Med911]

Re: The true cost of Pak diffidence & obstinacy in the WOT

@Med911 - when dignitaries visit it is normal practice to scan the area for a mile or so around. Particularly after targeted attacks on ghq it is very odd that there were no security csans around the academy.

@javedmiandad - obl is not the same as the others handed over - in fact Pak hardly ever "handed" anybody over. At best they were reluctant participants in joint ops.

The security establishment is NOT going house to house checking every room in every house in the area. First its impractical, and secondly, its just not done.

Even if they had gone to the Haveli where OBL is living, OBL wasnt the one opening the door. Whoever did open the door, I sincerely doubt that they would admit OBL is living in the attic.

The security sweep would more then likely end at the door. They would at most ask who was living in the house but thats it. I doubt they would go into the house, especially if they know there are women with purdah, unless there was some extraordinary suspicion of something, but I doubt there was ever enough suspicion of the place to warrant a room by room search.

There is nothing of this house to raise any genuine suspicion. There are many such complexes across Pakistan. Nothing unusual here.

Where is the evidence that Pakistan was nothing more then a reluctant participant? Where are you getting you intel from? How do you know anything of the dynamic between the Pakistanis and Americans?

[Med911]

Re: The true cost of Pak diffidence & obstinacy in the WOT

where is the proof ? this is all conspiracy of c.i.a. whole world is against pakistan a peace lovers paradise . osama was agent of america , la parisia is raw and mosad agent they just want to malign image of pakistan,al qaida,isi,let,ttp. hindu zionist are all jealous of pakistan which is most capable atomic power of the world.

Quite inDIK...

[Himalaya]

Re: The true cost of Pak diffidence & obstinacy in the WOT

@La_Parisienne

^ don't you think he wasn't caught this long because Pakistan was shielding him even while going through the motions of collaborating with the US in the search?

There is no evidence to suggest Pakistan was shielding him. What you should be writing that elements in pakistan might have shielded him.

[Himalaya]

Re: The true cost of Pak diffidence & obstinacy in the WOT

I dont buy this nonsense about the house. So what, he never left the house. Have you ever been to Pakistan? MANY rich people live in compounds. The existence of such a compound does not in itself mean that OBL living on one.

The story of him needing dialysis is also nonsense. There is no evidence of this.

What dignitaries? Al Qaeda's Obama equivalent is going to visit him?

They would ask who lived there if they had a reason to. If they are nothing more then a bunch of ultra conservative Pathans, then there are millions of those in Pakistan. No one bothers them.

Pakistanis have an extraordinary ability of ignoring things even at the worst of times, and jsut minfding their own business... There are many houses being built, perhaps they are more concerned with looking for Osama in the tribal belt.

Also, even if they had gone to the door to see who these people were, Osama wouldn't have been the one to open the door, thats a guarantee. And I doubt any Pakistani male would go investigating inside a house where there a Women in Purda, and even more so in a house of ultra conservative Pathans. No one is going to the extrordinary length of offending the sensibilities of these people on nothing more then a flimsy suspicion. I dont think it would be that difficult for Osama to hide in there.

Three families, although I dont know how anyone would know who is living in there, is irrelevant. I know a Household in Jhelum with 3 or more families living in the same compound. Why should that raise any suspicions that OSAMA BIN LADEN is living there.

People would obviously consider these people eccentric, and weird. But suddenly jumping to the conclusion that OSAMA must be hiding in there seems inconceivable.

Well said! People forget that in Pakistan as well s in India many people built high walls for Purdah. They are judging the story on the perception of the West and not how it is seen on a local level.

[Ali_Syed]

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http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/DonaldRumsfeld-OsamaBinLaden-Pakistan/2011/05/08/id/395582

Rumsfeld: Pakistanis Might Not Have Known
Sunday, 08 May 2011 12:14 PM
By Hiram Reisner

**Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld says Pakistani officials may not have known where Osama bin Laden had been living, Politico reports.

“I think it’s possible," Rumsfeld said Sunday on CBS’ “Face the Nation.” "You go from the Pentagon up the Potomac River and look at those big estates up there with gated walls and trees and hidden from sight, we don’t know what is going on there. It is possible that someone like that, with a support system . . . could very likely hide in plain sight.”**

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[javedmiandad]

Re: The true cost of Pak diffidence & obstinacy in the WOT

@Med911 - when dignitaries visit it is normal practice to scan the area for a mile or so around. Particularly after targeted attacks on ghq it is very odd that there were no security csans around the academy.

@javedmiandad - obl is not the same as the others handed over - in fact Pak hardly ever "handed" anybody over. At best they were reluctant participants in joint ops.

So america walked into areas they have no clue about knocked on the door and said oh hey mr Khalid Shiekh Mohammed we come to pick you up even though pak government are reluctant to help us!!!

don't talk nonsense pakistan gave these people up on a plate and whole country knows it, you obviously are someone who watches what is going on through CNN glasses and that is comic book analysis.