The ‘Talibanization’ of Pakistan's biggest city...

KARACHI, Pakistan – In the back of a jeep driving through Karachi, a sign on the wall of the city’s famous “Village Restaurant” caught my eye. It was just a little piece of frayed white paper plastered next to the restaurant’s much bigger logo, tempting customers to “Experience the Exotic of Traditional Dining.”

But the printed sign expressed an increasingly urgent plea in this teeming port city, once Pakistan’s capital: “Save your city from Talibanization,” it said in English.

But could the Taliban really be taking over Karachi? Karachi is Pakistan’s biggest city, far from the lawless tribal hinterland along the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Out there, Taliban and al-Qaida militants have carved out an independent state. In the mountains, militants have their own courts and even issue licenses to local business. Last week in the tribal area, the Taliban publicly executed a group accused of murders. In another village square, they flogged several butchers for allegedly selling the meat of sick animals. That is Taliban justice.

U.S. military and intelligence officials consider that border area to be the world’s biggest, most dangerous safe haven for Taliban and al-Qaida fighters. Osama bin Laden, Mullah Omar and nearly all of their deputies have been based, and may still be based, in this often impassible mountain terrain.

But I was in Karachi, a giant city on the Indian Ocean. If Karachi is being ‘Talibanized,’ Pakistan is in real trouble, and so is everyone else.

Growing radicalism
Karachi has a history of Islamic radicalism. Wall Street Journal correspondent Daniel Pearl was kidnapped in front of the Village Restaurant in 2002. Pearl had been meeting contacts here. They were supposed to help him investigate Richard Reid, the “Shoe Bomber” who tried to blow up an American Airlines flight from Paris in December 2001.

But Pearl’s meeting was a set up. The “contacts” turned out to be fanatic militants who kidnapped and beheaded him. I was about to discover the radicals’ presence in this city appears to have grown since then.

Traveling in Karachi is both overwhelming and exhausting. It is a colorful, chaotic and undeniably dirty city. Flocks of vultures circle the sky all day. Trash lines many of the streets. As we drove from the Village Restaurant, our jeep darted around swarms of motorcycles, pickup trucks, rickshaws and even a sad looking camel pulling a cart stacked with barrels.

We were headed to a neighborhood in west Karachi where I had been told al-Qaida and Taliban militants had established a safe haven. Many Pakistanis make little distinction between al-Qaida and the Taliban. Both want to destabilize Pakistan and Afghanistan, establish an even bigger base of operations and spread their aggressive, intolerant vision of Islamic law.

The majority of people in Karachi want no part of it. Karachi is Pakistan’s cultural capital, the center of the nation’s fashion, high-tech and media industries. But that Karachi is under siege.

After about 30 minutes in traffic, our jeep arrived at the office of a local contact in a slum in west Karachi. Fearing for his safety, he didn’t want to be identified. I’ll call him Malik. He would take us deep into the alleys on the outskirts of Karachi, a neighborhood filled with brick homes built around cliffs and marble quarries. It would be unwise, Malik said, to venture in alone.

“It is too dangerous,” he said. “The Talibans have their checkpoints, bunkers and snipers. At night, they patrol, sometimes on horses. They are always coming out with their weapons and RPGs intimidating people.”

Malik said radicals have been flooding into Karachi since this spring, moving in from the border region. The border region is now a warzone, under attack by the Pakistani military and, controversially here, by U.S. drones and Special Operations Forces (SOF) that carry out raids from bases in neighboring Afghanistan.

The Pakistani and U.S. military offensives have killed hundreds of militants, but scattered many more. Increasingly, they are settling in Karachi. Estimates of Karachi’s population range from 12 to 18 million. The lack of accountability makes the city a great place to hide, unless you look like I did as I descended from the jeep dressed in khakis and a blue shirt.

Malik and I were standing in front of one of west Karachi’s madrassas, a traditional Islamic school for boys.

“Are there any students inside,” I asked a guard. He stared back at me blankly. In less than a minute there were about 15 people around us. Several appeared to be madrassa students who had come out to see what a foreigner could possibly want from them.

“Are you all students at the madrassa?” I asked. A few said they were.

‘God willing, we will fight them’
Many Pakistanis attend madrassas because they offer free education, supplementing the government’s lacking public school system. For centuries madrassas were the only form of education in the Islamic world. From Morocco to Indonesia, most madrassas have a similar layout, with a mosque at the center and classrooms upstairs. The vast majority of madrassas are moderate charities that teach religious values, the Koran and the traditions of the Prophet Mohammed.

But some madrassas in Pakistan have churned out suicide bombers indoctrinated in jihad and a paranoid but widespread philosophy that they must attack innocent civilians to defend their faith from the United States, Israel and other modern-day “crusaders.”

Former President Pervez Musharraf promised to reform and regulate Pakistan’s hard-line madrassas. It never happened. According to Karachi’s former mayor Farooq Sattar, there are now more than 2,000 illegal madrassas in Karachi alone. This was one of them.

“What do you think of the Taliban and their influence here?” I asked the students.

More blank stares.

“What do you think about the U.S. incursions?”

That got a reaction.

“God willing, we will fight them,” said one teenager with a purple scar on his chin. “They are the enemy,” he said and launched into a long explanation of America’s goal to occupy Muslim lands and undermine Islam. I’ve heard the same speech from Cairo to Lebanon, Baghdad to Riyadh. God bless the Internet.

A few minutes later my driver/fixer, a very tough guy from a very tough part of Pakistan, tapped me on the shoulder.

“I think you have been here long enough,” he said. It was time to go.

But I still hadn’t seen any Taliban.

Malik suggested we go deeper into the slum, to the neighborhood right under the cliffs and quarries. He was nervous about taking a foreigner, but had an idea. There was a graveyard in the area.

“We can pretend to be offering prayers for the dead,” Malik suggested. “I’ll pray over one of the graves and you can see the neighborhood for yourself.”

Malik said praying at a gravesite would give us an excuse to be in the area and raise less suspicion.

‘You should not be here’
It didn’t exactly work. As soon as I stepped out of the jeep by the gravestones, I was again surrounded by a group of people. They didn’t have weapons or appear threatening, but didn’t attempt to hide their sympathies for the Taliban. One man proudly told me several suicide bombers had prayed in a nearby mosque.

But others were scared of the Taliban. A man who spoke English told me the Taliban were in control of the area.

“Do the Pakistani police or soldiers ever come here?” I asked him. “No, they can’t come here.”

“How do people feel here?”

“We are all frightened. The Taliban has taken over.”

More men, athletically built in their 20s and 30s, started to arrive.

“Who are these people?” I asked the English speaker.

“They are Taliban.”

“Do they understand what we are saying? Do they understand English?”

“No, but you shouldn’t stay here. It is not comfortable here. You should not be here.”

“Who runs this neighborhood?”

“They do.”

The new arrivals didn’t want to be interviewed.

“Stop asking them questions,” the English speaker advised.

We left a few minutes later.

“We couldn’t come here at night,” Malik said as we were driving out of the neighborhood. “Now we had an excuse to come to the graveyard. But at night, there would be no reason to be here.”

‘It’s sad’
Driving back to the hotel, I kept thinking how a neighborhood in Karachi could be so tense and apparently out of control. In less than two hours, and without any prior arrangements, we’d managed to get to an area full of Taliban supporters and where many locals were clearly terrified.

As I walked back to my hotel room, I passed an old man in the hallway.

“I didn’t know you people were still coming here,” he said. By “you people” I assumed he meant foreigners.

“Yes, a few. Not many of us,” I admitted.

“I didn’t think anyone would be coming anymore,” he added, saying he was upset by the bombing of the Marriott Hotel in Islamabad, one of the centers of social life for Pakistan’s shrinking expatriate community.

“It’s sad,” he said. “It’s sad it’s come to this.”

“Yes, it’s sad,” I agreed.

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interesting perspective, very interesting to see how there is a whole population sandwiched in between extreme left and extreme right…

I wouldn't pay too much attention to this article.


I don't know whats the fascination of any "journalist" asking stupid questions.

Even if you ask a "non-Taliban-supporter" this same question they will reply in a similar way "We will fight". What answer does anyone expect? "we'll bend over"?

Author couldn't even name the area in Karachi where he visited... easy to digest for "foreign audience" but perhaps easily challengeable by Karachiites.

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Taliban on horseback ‘patrolling’ Karachi :cb:

This article and the ‘Talibanisation’ of Karachi is a bad joke

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just so we are clear..I personally do not believe in the claim that the article is making.. it seems to be forcing a connecting between what's happening in border areas with karachi..

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lol taliban bunkers and horse back patrol in Karachi!!! :rotfl:

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this is the latest plot to destabilise pakistan

if these plans are allowed to work then karachi walo expect to lose familly members.

unity is the key

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i'd rather support the firing of nuclear assets at enenmies right now then see pakistan in civil war in a few months/years

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For an ideology to proceed you need local support and environment...you have conditioned in...

Man trying to settle on Mars...ummmmmmm...

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I think its the need of the hour to take offence to their (taliban) doorstep, and blow them sky high along with their twisted radical beliefs. nething short will stop this menace.
Guess what? Given a choice, they (taliban) would do the same to you, or perhaps already doing it one way or the other, Jahanami log.

It is now clear that Taliban are committing crimes in Karachi to fund their anti-Islam activities in NWFP.
After the capture of 6 terrorists belonging to Baitullah Mehsud's group from Orangi Town, MQM had this to say:

ww.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2009\02\15\story_15-2-2009_pg12_9

‘MQM position on Talibanisation vindicated’

Staff Report

KARACHI: MQM’s Coordination Committee (CC) said on Saturday that the arrest of Taliban militants from Manghopir has proved MQM’s position on the Talibanisation of Karachi.

A press release issued by the MQM-CC stated that the arrest of Taliban involved in terrorism proved that they were expanding their network in Karachi. It said that the Taliban, who came down from tribal areas have established their network all over Karachi and were conducting terrorist activities in the city. The MQM-CC said that the Taliban poses a serious threat to the city and its peaceful residents.

The CC cited in the statement that President Asif Zardari had also said that the Taliban wanted to occupy Pakistan and have already taken control of many areas.

The CC recalled that MQM Chief Altaf Hussain had informed the citizens about the Talibanisation of Karachi a long time ago. However, his views evoked uncalled for criticism from political and religious figures. The press release urged all moderate people to be united against Talibanisation.

The CC also appreciated the provincial home minister, CCPO Karachi and security officials for their efforts against terrorism and extremism.

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its prolly don salim shahzad wearing a mask.

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A few days ago, a NATO transporter was also killed in Shrin Jinnah Colony. His brother accused talebans for that murder.

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so the Americans who died in 1995 or something in karachi were also murdered by the taliban? right?

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March 8, 1995--Karachi, Pakistan
Two unidentified gunmen armed with AK-47 assault rifles opened fire on a U.S. Consulate van in Karachi, killing two U.S. diplomats -- Jacqueline Keys Van Landingham and Gary C. Durell -- and wounding a third, Mark McCloy. "

I think you are talking about the killing of that black american on Shah-e-Faisal then. That was the work of Sipha-e-Sahaba. Those were the days when religious extermists were killing people in mosques which started from the Akbar Mosque near Mazar-e-Qaid.

Pashtun influx fuels Karachi tensions

By Syed Shoaib Hasan
BBC News, Karachi

BBC NEWS | World | South Asia | Pashtun influx fuels Karachi tensions

Karachi has been plagued by violence for much of the last 20 years
“We are doing our best to prevent them from taking over,” says Mohammad Rafiq earnestly as he sits in the crowded room in Karachi.

He is referring to Taleban militants who have come to the city from Pakistan’s tribal areas such as North and South Waziristan who “want to take over Karachi”.

Rafiq, a primary school teacher, is a resident of Baldia town, a suburb of Karachi.

He is also a member of a neighbourhood, or sector, office of the MQM (United National Movement) political party for his area.

‘Bully and kill’

Karachi, on the coast of Pakistan’s southern Sindh province, is the country’s largest city.

It is also the South Asian nation’s financial capital and main port.

The MQM, which is allied to Pakistan’s ruling Pakistan People’s Party (PPP), is politically in control of Karachi.

Four armed men came to the back of the market on two bikes… they only targeted Pashtun businesses

Azmatullah Khan

Karachi’s Taleban threat

The party draws its strength from a mainly middle class electorate, made up of Urdu-speaking people, descendants of migrants from India after partition in 1947.

Its detractors have often complained that it has used its political strength to bully and even kill opponents.

The MQM, however, strongly denies this allegations.

“Our job is to find solutions for neighbourhood problems at the local level,” says Farooq Sattar, a central government minister and senior MQM leader.

“We also inform the top leadership if there are matters here that are beyond our control.”

Of late these have been primarily to do with what the MQM has called the “Talebanisation” of Karachi.

It says that more and more people are migrating to Karachi from different parts of Pakistan, especially from the tribal areas.

“The Taleban don’t want to be concentrated in the northern areas and are looking for other options,” says Dr Sattar.

De facto rulers

Urban experts agree, pointing out that there has also been a substantial rise in migrants into Karachi from the North West Frontier Province’s Pashtun community.

Tension is rising in Karachi

It is perhaps this fact which is most galling for the MQM, which stormed into control of Karachi following ethnic riots which began in the mid-1980s.

At that time, disagreements over the identity question led to clashes between the Urdu-speaking and Pashtun-speaking communities.

The MQM rose to power on the back of these riots which left hundreds of people dead and established the party’s position in Karachi.

But critics have accused the party of using the “ethnic card” to keep control over Karachi.

Ethnicity remains a touchy topic in the metropolis and since 2007 there have been rumblings of a return to the problems of before.

In November, more than 40 people were killed in two days of ethnic-related killings.

“Riots and violence did take place between 1985 and 1988, but our leaders met and reached a conclusive peace accord,” says Aminullah Khattak, secretary general of the Sindh chapter of the mostly Pashtun Awami National Party (ANP).

“We wanted to end it, and it did end at that time.”

‘Menial activities’

But Mr Khattak now says that the issue has once again reared its head, this times he feels because of economic factors.

The MQM says that Karachi is at risk of ‘Talebanisation’

“The thing that has started it again is that the Pashtuns living over here have progressed economically,” he says.

"Some people believe that they will remain watchmen or labourers, or remain engaged in menial economic activities all their lives.

“But they’ve become well educated, they’ve progressed economically, they want to get better jobs.”

The ANP argues that “Talebanisation” is not a problem in Karachi, but just a ruse for a movement against upwardly-mobile Pashtuns.

Evidence of that movement is all too clear to Azmatullah Khan, a pharmacy student, as he stands on the ruins of his family business which was burnt to the ground in December.

“Four armed men came to the back of the market on two bikes,” he says.

"They threw some kind of chemicals… and started a fire which spread if water was thrown on it.

“You can see yourselves, they only targeted Pashtun businesses,” he says while bitterly pointing to nearby timber shops which remain intact and open.

“If you look at the situation in Karachi now, it is the Pashtun community which is facing the brunt of the problems,” says Ismail Khan, a member of the ANP provincial executive committee.

"Pashtun areas are the least developed in terms of basic amenities, as well as facilities such as hospitals and schools.

“In addition, Pashtuns are said to be the root of all troubles.”

‘Taleban ideas’

Ismail Khan believes that the MQM is behind this, and its principal motive is to get Pashtuns to give up the land they hold in Karachi.

There has been a substantial rise in migrant numbers

“We are the only threat to their power, and that is why they have used the spectre of Talebanisation.”

But Mohammad Rafiq and many others believe that it is the realities on the ground which have forced the MQM to move matters.

“We had no problems with the Pashtun community which has been settled here for a long time,” he says.

“But we do have a problem with those who are extremists and have come here to spread Taleban ideas.”

There seems little outward signs that the fundamentalist movement is taking over this most cosmopolitan of cities.

Karachi’s problems remain largely ethnic despite claims by the MQM.

Pakistan’s current debilitating security scenario however means that this is no less of a threat.

“Karachi remains Pakistan’s jugular vein and its microcosm,” says Aminullah Khattak.

“Any descent into violence here could cripple the country economically, and have grave consequences for national unity.”

Watch Barbara Plett’s film from Karachi on Newsnight on Thursday 12 February 2009 at 2230 GMT on BBC2.

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Talibanization of Karachi is a hoax created by MQM. That's about it.

Taliban on horseback with RPG’s, in karachi…errr. Kya paindu production hai sali. journalism ki tau aisi ki taisi ho gai

and he says this is an average everyday street in pakistan… god what stupidity.

http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photo/_new/081001-Karachi-Still.standard.jpg

EDIT: We must go to the link provided by the original poster and leave a comment saying how big a lie this Engel guy is *purportrating. * I left a few comments with different names. Hopefully the appear soon.

Why are these IDP settling in Karachi and not Peshawar or Punjab? I do understand that some of them do have relations in Karachi and many single men from NWFP work in Karahci with families left behind. But why escape one fire to walk into another?

Some of these families have seen enough horror, why hang more on them?

Why does the MQM allow ghettos to build up when they dont work in anyones favour? Surely by spreading people out they would have encouraged more integration/assimilation rather than leaving them in one place and duplicating themselves? The clever policy would be spreading them out so eventually they leave behind their Pashtun cultural habits and eplace them with things more suited to the MQ/M? If they started doing this then they would have integrated/assimilated.

At this rate the entire NWFP could be made IDP so will they all go Karachi?

Will Pakistan eventually become a land where we have limited immigration from onr province to another. The Baloch dont want to be outnumbered, the Muhajirs dont want to be outnumbered. They want restrictions on people coming in but that wont help a boom. Pakistan should be a free country where people should live wherever they want. However, the south of Pakistan has issues with this, whilst in the north people are far more tolerant. Theres large number of Pashtuns in Pindi but why is there no problem there?

The ethnic card has been used too many times by too many people,parties and organisations. Ironic both the ANP and MQM, both whose supporters are all migrants to Karachi are using the ethnic card.

Here is another example of Taliban hooligans threatening Karachiites in the broad day light, and the police being afraid of challenging their fitnah.

ww.thenews.com.pk/print1.asp?id=162802

CCPO Karachi winks approval at Taliban ‘Danda’ force

In what can best be described as trying to protect extremist elements, the Karachi Police chief, Waseem Ahmed, has said that the police will register and FIR against religious actvists who wreaked havoc at the Nisar Shaheed Park on Saturday night “only if a complainant files a complaint.”

Talking to The News on Sunday, CCPO Karachi Waseem Ahmed said that the police would register a case against the persons involved in creating a disturbance only if someone came forward and files a complaint. The police, he maintained, would not do so on its own. However, observers have said that the police can easily take cognizance of the crime and make arrests. Expecting one person to come forward and take on the extremists when the police is scared to do so is asking for the impossible said one observer.

Legal experts and human rights organizations have expressed surprise and disapproval at the approach taken by the Karachi police despite the fact that a clear violation of the law took place on Saturday night when a group of men armed with sticks and stones barged into an amusement area of the Nisar Shaheed Park and harassed and intimidated families and couples.

The incident took place amidst a variety show being held at the Nisar Shaheed Park. The show was being held in connection with Valentines day and a Basant event was organized. As per the statement of the organizers, all relevant permissions were taken from the Defence Housing Authority before holding the show.

For its part, the police claims that no permission was taken from it for the show. However, legal experts told The News that the organizers were not legally required to take “permission” from the local police station as has been claimed by the TPO of the area.

**In what can be seen as a shameful failure, the police allowed the armed men, who were part of a local vigilante group which originated from the Masjid Ibrahim situated near the Nisar Shaheed Park, to enter the grounds and destroy public and private property as well as harass and attack people and families.

Both the police and the security staff of the Defence Housing Authority ran away from the scene when the attack took place. **

In contrast to what eye witnesses told The News, CCPO Karachi Waseem Ahmed claimed that the police has reached the spot timely and taken into the control the situation.

“The police has recorded the statement of the persons who were present at the scene and also of the area residents and in this regard an inquiry has been initiated, and soon the inquiry got completed a case will be registered,” said Waseem Ahmed. However, observers said that the police should have immediately arrested the trouble makers for taking the law into their hands.

Area residents said that the complaint by the mosque staff that the amusement park was creating a nuisance by playing music at the time of prayer was not true. “This was just an excuse used to enter the park and teach people a lesson for celebrating Valentine’s day,” said one resident who asked not to be named.

Observers say that the state takes immediate notice in instances were riots take place or groups of people take the law into their own hands. “It immediately makes arrests so that an example is set,” said one lawyer. Instead, the police allowed the trouble makers to do what they did by not arresting them and taking them to task.

The News also tried to contact Brigadier Tirmizi, the head of the DHA, and the PRO of the DHA, Colonel Naqvi to ask what action was being taken against security staff of the DHA deployed at the Nisar Shaheed Park who ran away when the disturbances started. However, they could not be contacted.

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There was no such thing there. People only protested when loud music distrubed their Isha prayers. Media esp Geo played a very negative role in this.