fantossh merci.
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*Originally posted by hiccup: *
Its never been Americas responsibility to take care of other peoples problems, perhaps if it would butt out for once in its over inflated little existance, we could prevent the same crap repeating itself another 50yrs down the line. I think we should also distinguish between the american gov, and the american people and not get personal. Its not a question of you or us, the american goverment does not represent its people. That is, perhaps, part of the problem.
And religion got caught up in business and politics around the same time it became a way of life. Speaking of which, isn't Baby Bush a hardline Christian? As is Tony Blair....
It became popular to call Jihad upon America around the same time the people wanted America to but out....a vicious cycle isn't it?
And American problems started way before 1970s, around the time the genocide of the native americans occoured. 1800s I believe. The American gov. has grown up in a culture of self-superiority and self-righteousness, manifest destiny ring a bell?
The fact that it was a couple of thousand was never an excuse. It was a fact. I was putting it into global context, how many americans cried for the mass genocides that occour in africa? It hurts hardest at home doesn't it?
I hope that enlightens you somewhat
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hiccup? I doubt that jihad has anything to do with native americans.. so..I find this a bad comparison.
Tell me? When did the Mideast begin hating us? If prior to 1970's opec crisis...what was the trigger?
.....any other trigger beside Israel?
I wasn't comparring the native americans with a Jihad, this is a bad interpretation. What I was doing was pointing out the exceptionally bad goverment with a sqewed sense of justice, that belongs to the US.
As an after thought....Did the Native Americans not wage a "holy war" against the government of the time, when sacred land was being wrenched away?
I recall three main wars: "Little Crows war", "Red Clouds war" and "the great sioux war". We call it a Jihad, the native americans had no such word. They too were subjected to masses of bad propaganda through the available media sources. As if I remember correctly then the "Battle of Little big horn" was very much the modern historians equivilant of "sept 11th". The mighty Americans were beaten-if only temporily by the oppressed. This was custers last stand if you remember-when the loser died.
As for when did the middle east begin to hate the west?? That I think occoured when the British empire took over masses of arab land then the autrocities we heard of took place. Followed by the leaching of resources in the african muslim world. Then came the division of borders that were obviously meant to fail. Kashmir is an obvious example, as is Iraq. And to make it all a good centuries work they made an Isreali state, to home the Jews as we all know the British and American goverments didn't actually care about them much, it was only because of political reasons that they faught the nazis. Especcially the all moral fibre of the Americans,which was in a dangerous coma state for the larger duration of the conflict. This placement of Jews meant displacement of Arabs. This was the final humiliation that actually began to place hate in the hearts of the arabs for the west. And it must be remembered that Britain is hated too, however in recent years the US government has played a leading role in world affairs-the whole them being right all the time that I went into earlier. And as a whole I feel they do believe themselfs to speak for everybody. So when everybody tells them to shut up its hardly surprising.
I could go into more detail but really I dont have the time or the energy.
This at least provides enlightenment??