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Wrong...Case in point: Japan, Germany, France e.t.c...
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Wrong.... because they deal abroad in English. The native language is only used for internal business. Germans, french and Japanese companies deal in English outside their own countries.
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Wrong.... because they deal abroad in English. The native language is only used for internal business. Germans, french and Japanese companies deal in English outside their own countries.
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i agree!
Bhai saheb, aap kisss taraf say khail rahay hein? 
Essentially, Pakistan should have had had three languages taught in schools.
Arabic as the primary language, english as the secondary language (and english used at universities to make sure that technical and business issues can be communicated internationally), and the regional language as a tertiary subject.
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Arabic as the primary language
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Yeah right. :-)
Bhai saheb.. wake up and smell the coffee. Arabic in Pakistan ain't going anywhere fast.
Arabic as a primary lang?.. errr totally NOT....even though i like arabic a lot, but i would never except it as primary lang...it couldn't have given us the recognition that we have today because of URDU.
Bhai jan, I am not playing here!
My opinion is that to become closer to the language of the Prophet (saw), we should adapt a gradual program of introducing Arabic. This transformation can be through Urdu. Muqtadira Qaumi Zaban (National Language Authority) can slowly introduce words from Arabic into the Urdu language (although there already are many). Within a passage of time, all words should be changed with Arabic. Than a transformation to Arabic can be smooth. -
This will be the plan of ultimately removing all the probable hurdles from the unification of the Muslim world.
Do you guys know that there is already a talk to form a single language in European Union! They might be adapting a gradual process and forming a common language.
Our main objective is unity of the Ummah and we should remove anything that could come in its way. Just imagine how beautiful it would be when we would be able to have more interactions with the other Muslim brothers just across the Arabia Sea. Secondly, we will understand Islam better!
A Common European Language
With all the talk about a single European currency, some people are talking about a common European language, with English being touted as the preferred language for communications, ahead of German. But the British will be asked to concede a simplified spelling to be phased in over a five-year period.
In the first year, 'S' would be used instead of the soft 'C'. Sertainly, sivil servants will resieve this news with joy. Also, the hard 'C' will be replaced with 'K'. Not only will this klear up konfusion, but typewriters kan have one less letter on the keyboard.
There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the troublesome 'ph' will be replaced by f. This will make words like 'fotograf' 20 per sent shorter.
In the third year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkourage the removal of double letters, which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horible mes of silent 'e's in the languag is disgrasful, so they would hav to go.
By the fourth year, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing 'th' by 'z' and 'w' by 'v'. During ze fifz year, ze unesesary 'o' kan be dropd from vords kontaining 'ou', and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer kombinations of leters.
After zis fifz year, ve vil hav a reli sensibl riten styl. Zer vil beno mor trubls or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi tu understand ech ozer. Ze drem vil finali kum tru.
^ Seems like you want to do the same haal of Urdu language.
So whats wrong about it! Alread Urdu's haal is seen when its legs are broken and words are changed with English!
There is a mixture of Punjabi in it, and also so much English, so why not the best language Arabic!
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So whats wrong about it!
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Lets see when "ze drem vil finali kum tru" for you :)
I, for one, totally disagree with merge Arabic with Urdu POV. Each language has its own importance and history and culture. Its part of our lives. There is no need to "kill" a language deliberately, just because you think some people mix English words in their sentences. Sheesh!
The biggest muslim populated country is Indonesia. Or Bangladesh. I don't see any of them rushing to adopt Arabic to show some kinda "unity" for the Arabs. No way. Thats just a "chul" which happens to some Pakistanis. No offence.
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Lets see when "ze drem vil finali kum tru" for you :)
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:) it might!
I think just like people take mixing Urdu with English lightly, we should also take it lightly if it changes to Arabic. The main object is communication, and language only facilitates. So lets zee wat habens!:rotato:
Well maybe Pakistanis have the best hearts then! (by the way I didn’t expect such language from you:nono1: )
People mix urdu with english, largely because they either live in English-speaking countries or wish to do so. Those Pakistanis who live in Dubai and KSA, proly mix arabic words in their communication. Those in Germany and Denmark proly mix some of those local words. Its not that they are out to destroy the language, per se.
Its just that it comes naturally to you, when you are bilingual.
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People mix urdu with english, largely because they either live in English-speaking countries or wish to do so. Those Pakistanis who live in Dubai and KSA, proly mix arabic words in their communication. Those in Germany and Denmark proly mix some of those local words. Its not that they are out to destroy the language, per se.
Its just that it comes naturally to you, when you are bilingual.
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What if the govt which is Pakistani is set out to lessen the importance of Urdu?
You started this thread to bemoan that Urdu is not used effectively in our lives and we should do more to promote Urdu in our lives.
And now you are convassing that Urdu should be slowly killed and replaced by Arabic.
See, anything there? :)
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*Originally posted by Faisal: *
You started this thread to bemoan that Urdu is not used effectively in our lives and we should do more to promote Urdu in our lives.
And now you are convassing that Urdu should be slowly killed and replaced by Arabic.
See, anything there? :)
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Yes firstly we should have complete Urdu! The process of adopting Arabic will be in the medium term. We should be moving towards it gradually. But first Urdu!
Freedom from language which reminds us of colonialism!
Yes I see that I am not in any form of nationalism but Islamic nationalism!
So first we should have “complete” urdu, and then we destroy it by over-riding it with Arabic?
Great idea.
I must praise you for such useful suggestions. You have won us all with your rock-solid arguments. :k: