The Rights of Women in Islam

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^^ Equal in the eyes of Allah but not Islam?? :expressionless: What is that suppose to mean? Is Islam different than Allah? Afridi, no offense but do you even re-read your response before posting it? :bummer:

Men and Women are equal before Allah period. Taqwa and righteousness are the only things that make us supercede each other in the eyes of God. We are responsible for our actions and no soul will bear the burden of another soul. So Spiritually, men and women are equal. Physically they are not, we all know that. Furthermore, their roles and responsibilities may differ.

Men are the qawamoon that means they have a responsibility, a financial obligation to maintain women but that does not place them a degree above women in any way!

Anyone wanna learn more about men and women and this particular verse, please listen to a lecture by Imam Humza Yusuf, “Men and Women in Islam”, by Alhumbra production. You can buy this CD (a lecture of 30-40 minutes) for hardly 10-11 bucks from Alhambraproduction.com or Astrolabe.com

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Thanx Afridi

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Larki-NY, what you are saying it makes sense, "spiritually" men and women are equal.
Somehow I missed this quote from hareem earlier, how can one be responsible for the deeds of other.

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lol yah :slight_smile: , I meant to say that men are a degree higher than women on Earth but we are all equal in the fact that our deeds will decide our fate. And just because I am a man doesnt mean that I will get a lighter punishment or more reward in the afterlife.

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4:34 Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly);

Is the word 'lightly' written in the original Quran or someone has amended this verse?

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As I understand these are the interpretations of the translator.

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Yah, they are the translators interpretation of the Arabic used.

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Sorry, I did not ask for a guess.

Is the word ‘lightly’ written in the original Quran or someone has amended this verse, 4:34?

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All the Qurans available say the exact same thing in Arabic, and no the Quran has not been amended. Check the other thread.

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Given below is interpretation/ translation of 4:34 by three different scholars of Islam.
Only one has used the word ‘lightly’, others say…just beat them.

Still I am waiting for a correct reply. or it seems that the interpretors are free to put their own words into the verses of Allah.

[Shakir 4:34] Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

[Yusufali 4:34] Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband’s) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).

[Pickthal 4:34] Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

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They translate to the best of their knowledge and abilities, so if you truly want to know what Allah swt has said, then I suggest you start learning Arabic.

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I have this book by Imam Al Ghazali (ra). It is a thematic commentary on the Qur'an. Regarding this particular ayah however, he says:-

Islam prescribes a gradual solution. The first step, for simple advice and gentle persuasion, followed by a temporary cessation of sexual contact, and then, and only then, permits resort to physical measures. The main condition attached to this last method is that physical punishment must be moderate and should not in any way touch the face or harm it. Looking closely to the Sunnah of the Prophet Salallah aleihi wassalam, however, I cannot find a justification for this last measure except when the wife refuses her husband's bed, or brings male outsiders into their home, both of which represent, as we can see, very serious problem indeed.

This book is called "A thematic commentary on the Qur'an", written by Sheikh Muhammad al Ghazali(Ra) and translated by Ashur A.Shamis.

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That is what I need to know, if the word ‘lightly’ is mentioned in the original text of Quran. re 4:34
As a Muslim you must know the truth, instead of telling us a guess.

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Maybe we should add more words into the English language. Because of this language problem, many have gone astray. I suggest to you, anjjan, that you learn Arabic literature and go through that verse.

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(4:34)...]as for those women on whose part ye fear rebellion (nushuz), admonish them and banish them to beds apart, (and last) beat (adriboo) them. Then, if they obey you, seek not a way against them.
Adriboo (root: daraba): to beat, to strike, to hit, to separate, to part.
The Arabic word used in Noble Verse 4:34 above is "idribuhunna", which is derived from "daraba."
The thing with all of the Arabic words that are derived from the word "daraba" is that they don't necessarily mean "hit". The word "idribuhunna" for instance, could very well mean to "leave" them. It is exactly like telling someone to "beat it" or "drop it" in English.
Allah Almighty used the word "daraba" in Noble Verse 14:24 "Seest thou not how Allah sets (daraba) forth a parable? -- A goodly Word Like a goodly tree, Whose root is firmly fixed, And its branches (reach) To the heavens". "daraba" here meant "give an example". If I say in Arabic "daraba laka mathal", it means "give you an example".
Allah Almighty also used the word "darabtum", which is derived from the word "daraba" in Noble Verse 4:94, which mean to "go abroad" in the sake of Allah Almighty:
"O ye who believe! When ye go abroad (darabtum) In the cause of Allah, Investigate carefully, And say not to anyone Who offers you a salutation: 'Thou art none of a Believer!' Coveting the perishable good Of this life: with Allah Are profits and spoils abundant. Even thus were ye yourselves Before, till Allah conferred On you His favours: therefore Carefully investigate. For Allah is well aware Of all that ye do. (The Noble Quran, 4:94)"
So "daraba" literally means "beat", or "go abroad", or "give" but not in the sense to give something by hand, but rather to give or provide an example.
Important Note: Notice how Allah Almighty in Noble Chapter (Surah) 4 He used "daraba (4:34" and "darabtum (4:94)", which are both derived from the same root. He used both words in the same Chapter, which tells me that "daraba" in Noble Verse 4:34 means to desert or leave, since that's what its derived word meant in Noble Verse 4:94. The next section below will further prove my point.

Here a couple verses for reference.
"...Do not retain them (i.e., your wives) to harm them...(The Noble Quran, 2:231)"
"If a wife fears cruelty or desertion on her husband's part, there is no blame on them if they arrange an amicable settlement between themselves; and such settlement is best; even though men's souls are swayed by greed. But if ye do good and practise self-restraint, God is well-acquainted with all that ye do. (The Noble Quran, 4:128)"
"O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may take away part of the dower [money given by the husband to the wife for the marriage contract] ye have given them, except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good. (The Noble Quran, 4:19)"
Narrated Mu'awiyah al-Qushayri: "I went to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and asked him: What do you say (command) about our wives? He replied: Give them food what you have for yourself, and clothe them by which you clothe yourself, and do not beat them, and do not revile them. (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 2139)"
Narrated Mu'awiyah ibn Haydah: "I said: Apostle of Allah, how should we approach our wives and how should we leave them? He replied: Approach your tilth when or how you will, give her (your wife) food when you take food, clothe when you clothe yourself, do not revile her face, and do not beat her. (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 2138)"
Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying: "He who believes in Allah and the Hereafter, if he witnesses any matter he should talk in good terms about it or keep quiet. Act kindly towards woman, for woman is created from a rib, and the most crooked part of the rib is its top. If you attempt to straighten it, you will break it, and if you leave it, its crookedness will remain there. So act kindly towards women. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Book 008, Number 3468)"

Hopefully this is sufficient.

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Are you ready to condemn all your renowned translators/ interpreters for misleading people over the word of Allah? Hence they have translated the word to ‘beat them’.

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And Afridi786 are you sure that you are not misleading us in order to defend your religion?

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I'm not misleading anybody, it could very well mean beat, but it could very well mean leave,part, separate as well.
Also look into the quotes i have provided.

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Do you want to say that Quran is not clear on this issue?

Ps, if you are not misleading why you cannot answer to any single question and everytime coming with new definitions?

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I dont know Arabic, i rely on translations also, Its Allah swts words, so he must of used them for a purpose...Adriboo (root: daraba): to beat, to strike, to hit, to separate, to part. look at some other quotes..."If a wife fears cruelty or desertion on her husband's part, there is no blame on them if they arrange an amicable settlement between themselves; 4:128
"O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, 4:19
Make your own conclusions