The return of the Taliban

Its been seven years since US and its cronies had been whining and winning wars in Afghanistan but every single news report by independent analyst tells you quite the opposite the following is just one of them and an interesting read..

I’ve read few news reports going back 3~4 years US asking Pashtun/Taliban to join the Afghan govt. but Taliban rejected every single time sticking to their guns… Fearing growing Taliban attacks on supply lines the US is desparately trying to work out an alternate route to Afghanistan most likely via Russia but dealing with Russia won’t be easy, Russia has already said it will only allow food, cloths, medicines etc but no military hardware, tough isn’t it… Should not have pissed off Russia in Georgia…

No matter how much you like the Drug Pushers from the north or how well they serve your interest the fact is no matter what you do you cannot ignore or sideline Taliban.

Here are my bets, in the end Pashtun/Taliban are going to return one way or the other no matter how you slice or dice it. The drug pushers will be back in business in the North and US will give it a spin like now we have moderate Taliban running the show.

And Karzai, you draw your own conclusions what will happen to him and his one block Kabul govt. if he stays in A-Stan.

Struggle For Kabul: The Taliban Advance - International Council on Security and Development

Taliban now holds a permanent presence in 72% of Afghanistan; Up from 54% a year ago, according to new report by The International Council on Security and Development (ICOS)
Taliban is closing a noose around Kabul: Three out of four main highways into the capital city now compromised by Taliban
ICOS calls for new Security Architecture in Afghanistan

** LONDON – The Taliban now holds a permanent presence in 72% of Afghanistan, up from 54% a year ago, according to a report released today by the International Council on Security and Development (ICOS), an international policy think tank. **

According to ICOS, Taliban forces have advanced from their southern heartlands, where they are now the de facto governing power in a number of towns and villages, to Afghanistan’s western and north-western provinces, as well as provinces north of Kabul. Within a year, the ** Taliban’s permanent presence in the country has increased by a startling 18%, according to ICOS research on the ground in Afghanistan. **

The new ICOS report also documents the advance of the Taliban on Kabul, where three out of the four main highways into Kabul are now compromised by Taliban activity. The capital city has plummeted to minimum levels of control, with the Taliban and other criminal elements infiltrating the city at will.

“The Taliban are now controlling the political and military dynamic in Afghanistan,”. said Norine MacDonald QC, President and Lead Field Researcher of ICOS.

“Despite increasingly dire levels of security in Afghanistan in recent months, there has been surprisingly little change in response from the international community," MacDonald said. "The insurgency continues to turn NATO’s weaknesses into its own strengths.”

“The Taliban are closing a noose around Kabul, and there is a real danger that the Taliban will simply overrun Afghanistan under the noses of NATO,” said Paul Burton, Director of Policy for ICOS.

Through its research platform in Afghanistan, ICOS determined the Taliban’s presence across the country using a combination of publicly recorded attacks and local perceptions of Taliban presence. One or more insurgent attacks per week in a province constitutes a “permanent Taliban presence” according to ICOS (See full methodology below).

ICOS Calls For A New Security Architecture for Afghanistan
“The current global security architecture is ill-equipped to deal with the problems that beset Afghanistan,” said MacDonald. “Quite simply, the current rulebook on how the International Community approaches these crises needs to be rewritten if we are to succeed in Afghanistan and in other conflict zones such as Iraq and Somalia.”

“Classic security instruments such as military intervention and intelligence must continue to be fully supported,” said MacDonald. “But other elements such as sustainable job creation and development should also be seen as key security instruments, along with the development of the rule of law, effective counter-narcotics policies, literacy, a free and open media and civil society and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goals.”

In the report, ICOS makes specific recommendations for how the international community can succeed in Afghanistan.

ICOS says it is time to focus on providing ordinary Afghans with the basic necessities of life.

“It is simply unacceptable that, seven years after entering the country, the international community has not established mechanisms to ensure that every Afghan has access to food and water,” ICOS says in the report.

“Development and reconstruction efforts have been underfunded, have failed to have a significant impact on local communities’ living conditions, and have failed to improve attitudes towards the Afghan Government and the international community,” said Burton.

In the report, ICOS recommends that the international community must shift from the concept that one leader or organisation has responsibility for resolving Afghanistan. The longevity of a plan for Afghanistan should not be contingent upon the US electoral cycle and it is wrong for any actor to simply wait for President-elect Obama’s Afghan plan. ICOS says this abrogation of responsibility is letting the common goal of securing Afghanistan drift out of reach.

ICOS recommends a closer collaboration between military and development efforts. The military should now be tasked to deliver aid to ravaged areas of the south and east, which ICOS says will be crucial in responding to the immediate needs of poor and vulnerable Afghans. The report also reiterates ICOS’ call for NATO to double its force in the country to 80,000.

Taliban Presence Methodology:
Data detailing the presence of the Taliban in Afghanistan was gathered from daily insurgent activity reports between January and November 2008 as well as interviews conducted by the ICOS research team. The surveys measured local perceptions of the Taliban’s presence by measuring frequency of Taliban sightings.

A “permanent presence” is defined by provinces that average one (or more) insurgent attack (lethal and non-lethal) per week. Areas with “substantial presence” average one or more insurgent attacks per month and include residents who believe Taliban are active locally (based on frequency of Taliban sightings). Areas with “light presence” have fewer than one insurgent attack per month and local residents don’t believe Taliban are active locally (based on frequency of Taliban sightings). To calculate percentages, the total area of Afghanistan was divided by the total area hosting a permanent/substantial/light Taliban presence.

Re: The return of the Taliban

Karzai wasn't known as Mayor of Kabul for no reason. Coalition, US, Nato whatchamacallit had no victory in most parts of Afghanistan and they blamed Pakistan for allowing them to "regroup". They were only able to secure Kabul and some other major cities. You might have heard news of US willing to accept Taliban minus "Mullah Omar". Now Mullah Omar will be touted as the only bad guy in Taliban, you might hear interviews/confessions of "other Taliban leaders" how they have always had opposed MO but he paid no attention.

With unrelenting pressure form the coalition, Pak Army, and EVENTUALLY, the fully functioning Afghan Army, what chance do these mountain dwelling terrorists have?!?!

^ Ooooooh as of right now only 72 percent.... LOL...

Unfortunately these "mountain dwelling terrorists" have defied world super powers 6 years of claiming complete control of Afghanistan, I am not sure if these powers were ever able to achieve more than 60% control of Afghanistan.

Simon Jenkins: Rosy rewriting of the Iraq debacle will fuel worse disaster in Afghanistan | Comment is free | The Guardian

British diplomats and military experts returning from Kabul have three performance modes.

  1. In public they declare Afghanistan to be tough but winnable.

  2. In private they admit it is getting worse not better, but might turn round in a decade if only the Afghans were less corrupt.

  3. In totally secret mode, their eyes turn to the sky and they declare the whole business a “total effing disaster”.

The coalition has almost certainly killed more children in Afghanistan by its reckless use of tactical air strikes than have died at the hands of the Taliban. War is no place for such hypocrisy.

It is common knowledge that lines of contact are opening on every front with commanders of the “new Taliban”, whose role in governing a future Afghanistan is beyond dispute

Re: The return of the Taliban

read an article by Yvonne Ridley couple days ago, she was saying the same and quoting that study. here it is she talks about her experience in Afghanistan: DailyMuslims - Taliban Controls Afghanistan, Closing a Noose around Kabul
**
Given the choice between starvation or fighting for the Taliban for around $40 dollars a month, I know what decision I would make. Think about it - it’s a no brainer.**

no wonder taliban is winning, you have a country which you destroy into pieces, how the hell are you going to “rebuild” it when the people don’t see any hope in you. America failed since the start, Obama sending more troops to slaughtered by the taliban, Americans really need to bring CHANGE. but hey who ever speaks about the poor Afghans… i have a friend in Kandahar, says you cannot go out as soon as it’s because fear of kidnapping and shooting. :frowning:

Re: The return of the Taliban

And who's paying taliban? ISI hands written all over it.

I didn't know ISI were that rich.

And Taliban are trying to "rebuild" Afghanistan??? Wah bhai wah.

Taliban and Afghanis destroyed (and still destroying) their country. It is time to grow up and be man enough to accept the responsibility.

The problem with Talib sympathizers is that they never put the responsibility of rebuilding afghanistan on ????? Afghanis. They would rather smoke hukkah and point fingers at others. Mama did, Chacha did, Kahloo did it, but heck I didn't do it. Sad.

^Burqa, Advise for you, get out of burqa, the world is vast and diverse...

hahaha you're more of a joke then I thought. Good luck dude!

War in Afghanistan cannot be won. Period.
Canadian Prime Minister Steven Harper

TheStar.com | Opinion | If we can’t win, why stay in Afghanistan?

Med, didn't we discuss this in another thread? :D

I am certain that the Talibs will be back, maybe a few years from now but its going to happen.

72% of Afghanistan means something burqa.

Keep up your writing, we all need armchair generals who know jack about the region. Stratfor came out with a similar analysis not too long ago.

Face it old man, your time and theories are over. Your stuck in a time warp with a disconnect to reality.

Re: The return of the Taliban

Don't be too happy for success of Taliban, because we already know their next target after Afghanistan.

Whose being happy? Just pointing out the facts on the ground to delusional individuals (and I am NOT referring to Med, he's a Pak. Patriot) who think that the Talibs will go away.

This is the time to save integrity of Pakistan by moving away from this American War on Terror - a war that many Americans/Brits themselves realize is unwinnable. Instead of playing rent a soldiers, Pakistan MUST prepare for the second rise of the Taliban - whether we support them or not is irrelevant, the fact that they will be next power in Afghanistan is the reality.

Shri Obama now say militay cannot win in Afghanistan, is this any different from what the world has been saying for so long or the fate of other invaders from Alexander to the Reds?

Yes it is always comprehensive strategy, exit strategy that is or comprehensive tail between the leg strategy. :) US had one for North Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, South Ossetia and now A-Stan is in the making. God knows what other places us had exit strategy for. :)

U.S. wants Afghanistan exit strategy, meets NATO

Mon Mar 23, 10:24 am ET

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The United States met NATO allies on Monday to outline
its policy review for Afghanistan after President Barack Obama said it would
contain an exit strategy and greater emphasis on economic development.

With violence rising ahead of elections in August, Obama has already
committed an extra 17,000 troops to Afghanistan, but on Sunday he said
military force alone would not end the war.

"What we can't do is think that just a military approach in Afghanistan is
going to be able to solve our problems," he said in an interview with CBS
TV's "60 minutes."
"So what we're looking for is a comprehensive strategy. And there's got to
be an exit strategy ... There's got to be a sense that this is not perpetual
drift."

Re: The return of the Taliban

Thank you for creating anarchy in Pakistan :emmy:

Yeah, good idea, move away from WOT into hands of waiting talibs. Pakistan cannot equip it's own soldiers to fight the talibs without american support.