I was talking to a couple of goray colleagues a few days ago and they started talking about the “Manosphere” and the Red Pill movement on Reddit. It’s about how men in the Anglosphere are going there own way, working on themselves and not giving in to the social changes brought about by 50 odd years of Feminism that has seen female privilege in areas such as divorce law and child custody as well as the feminist push for equal pay with out equal work and responsibility - fascinating statistics: over 80% of government jobs created by the US government since 1990 have been taken up by women, yet men are expected to do the tough jobs like construction, military, oil rigging etc - surely there should be 50/50 quotas for all jobs, equality and all) - in effect, men reclaiming their masculinity, behaving like jerks (using women) for sex without any hint of looking for a committed relationship as to not be raped by the Anglosphere legal systems during divorce, similar but different in a way to the grass-eaters in Japan. I started to read a few of these sites such as mgtow, rok, red pill reddit - the video below really struck a cord with me about certain social constructs - i.e. men should be chivalrous yet female want equality? What do Desi’s (both male and female lol) think about this?
3 goray I work with were talking about this stuff in the pub after work. I asked a few questions, curiosity got the better of me so when I got home, I read up on it for a few hours. Just wanted to get the Paki opinion on it, especially the overseas Paki’s.
I agree, MGTOW does seem like men who have been burnt in marriage venting, but some of their statistics do hold sway. For example, 70% of divorces are imitated by women. Should overseas Desi’s be worried about this trend?
What people should be worried about is their own marriages and their own lives. Not statistics. There is a reason people are divorced. They are crappy husbamds.
Couldn’t it be that Western women don’t know what they want. They’ve been blasted throughout their lives via various mediums that men should be caring and in touch with their emotions yet when men in the West have become in effect beta, why do these Western women end up cheating on these beta husbands that they so wanted with Jerks who only want them as easy lays. Contradiction, no - man goes from alpha traits to beta traits to comply to what women say they wanted, yet wife it turns out, wanted alpha all along?
Okay you must be young. I have plenty of european and american friends who are married. A strong woman does not mean you become a beta male. It means you learn to compromise. How old are you anyway?
Lol, i’m 29, the guys who introduced me to this topic a few days ago are goray professionals that work in city of London, all around my age. Off course I don’t agree with them, but I was fascinated at how these guys views differ from Desi’s - me and my Desi friends (both pak and non pak) have never even thought about such issues, yet apparent liberal highly educated goray are fed up with the social constructs within their society.
Have you actually read some of the stuff that’s posted on /r/redpill? It’s nothing but blatant endorsement of “curing” the feminism out of a woman by raping her, posted by 19 year olds who just got dumped by their first girlfriend for being too clingy…err I mean too Alpha. Sorry but redpillers are nothing but delusional, who can not survive outside of Reddit.
No I haven’t, just skimmed through it a few days ago, opened a thread or two, I think I’m going to file this whole red pill thing under “something amusing I read on the internet” compartment in my brain. Goray colleagues introduced it to me to the topic a few days ago.
lol, that isn’t the case, I was getting the point across that me and my Indian and Sri Lankan friends/colleagues were intrigued by what they were saying - we were in the pub after work when we were having this conversation. The Sri Lankan fella laughed it off but the Indian guy was really in to it - that’s why, after spending a few hours a couple of nights ago skimming through some of this stuff, I started to get curious as to the paki view on this, specifically pakis living in the Anglosphere. Anyway, I’ve spoken to some of my paki friends over here, some are like “meh”, but it did resonate with a few of them especially those that have have been betrayed by British Pakistani wives (affairs, lying about virginity before marriage, false domestic violence accusations etc. - won’t bore you with the ins and outs). I think I get the jist of the response on this forum, you guys seem to be pro female entitlement. I’ll leave it at that. Before anyone has a go, I’m pro gender equality with equal rights for equal responsibilities and I don’t believe in no fault divorces. I have a sister - I don’t want her abused in a marriage, at the same time I don’t want to be taken to the cleaners in a potential divorce because of false domestic violence accusations or marital rape accusations.
I’m off to work - fascinating responses so far, very dismissive, so no overseas paki men are pro men’s rights especially in divorce and child custody cases?
Well if you’re Pakistani and Muslim then you wouldn’t agree with the goray colleagues. A husband has certain responsibilities to his wife and vice versa. If neither can uphold those responsibilities then they don’t know what it is to be in a committed relationship. And also using women for sex is not a way to reclaim masculinity. That’s just the complete opposite of masculine.
Just that last bit about pro men’s rights in divorce and child custody. In Islam if divorce happens the woman keeps her mahr that was given to her when she got married and that’s it. Whatever else is his he keeps and what is hers she keeps. As for child custody the man cannot be refused access to his child unless he is a danger to them and he has the right that his children bear his name. The kids will probably stay with the mother as is recommended in Islam but the father can see them as often as he likes and he must support them financially until they reach marriageable age. That sounds pretty fair and equal to me.
Also chivalry is encouraged in Islam. The prophet pbuh was extremely chivalrous and romantic to his wives. It made him more of a man not less. And I sometimes hold the door open for my husband and even buy him flowers. It can go both ways. Men like to be romanced too lol.
