The Red Pill/Manosphere

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Any woman with the right education, training, skills, talent, intelligence to compete well enough with any males at work and is better than her male colleagues then I dont see anything wrong with equal pay/perks as her male counterparts. But that again, based on she really is qualified, capable and has the right skills and talent to do that job. Any discrimination of her or her climbing the laddar based on her gender, looks, beauty is not fair.

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^ regarding last four words, are you saying fair is not lovely?

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Here in the West, British Pakistani women in particular, including my phupos, khalas, cousins etc - they want their Islamic rights of mehr, separate dwelling, no inlaw bs, 50/50 on chores, the ability for men to provide when she wants to do the stay at home mum thing but yet if a marriage turns sour they love the British legal system to screw their husbands over for lame reasons such as the spark is gone, you don’t show me affection anymore, I love you but not in love with you, if you cheat its your fault and if I cheat its your fault, you work to late for the things I desire but please don’t reduce my ability to consume by working less hours - I’ll just go out and and get my sexual gratification from outside the list goes on and on. So if a woman ends a marriage in the West for these reasons, why should a man loose upto 70% of his net worth, his home, see his kids every other weekend? I actually prefer the Pakistani system where the man gets to keep all his ****.

Me the fellas and girls and work were talking about this a few hours after the opening trading rush, and the men agreed with me - alot said these are the reasons they aren’t committing to relationships anymore - just fuc.k them and dump them. The women were agasped, like they were entitled to treat men this way because their mothers told them so.

I see more and more British Pakistanis turning agnostic - I fear in a generation or two we’ll be exactly the same over here.

I agree, chivalry is great, but if women want equality in all realms, why can’t a woman be chivalrous? 50/50, no? If men have moved on a lot of issues in the last 50 years here in the West, why can’t women move from their preconceived ideas of how a man should behave?

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Dude…seriously? Finding a partner to spend the rest of your life with is one of the best things in the world. I love being married even though my wife is the type of woman you complain about. She is independent, smart and strong willed. I love it. An independent woman is not a bad thing. Its a great thing.

If you make the mistake of marrying the wrong woman who doesn’t love you, well you are an idiot. Also please it takes two to make a marriage fall apart. If a woman is unhappy its because the husband did something wrong. If a wife has unrealistic expectations of salary and what can be spent then you as the husband did not do what was necessary to make it work.

You can not absolve one party of blame just because you wish it to be so.

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:confused:

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4chan is pretty good bro.

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I agree totally. Lets take the US. Women on average earn 77 cents on the dollar compared to men. Men on average work 44 hours vs 41 hours per women per week. Now, women go off to have children so it affects their long term prospects (those that fall out of the labour market). If women are better then men as you say, why aren’t American companies falling over backwards to hire women instead of men as most exec positions are still held by men both here in the UK and the US- they on average work for less and as you postulate they work better. Also, women get the cushy pen pushing jobs as is the case over here in Britain with council jobs. Men do the heavy duty jobs such as sewage works, constructions, military etc, why not 50/50 quotas? In the Us, there is talk of equal pay in the Army for men and women with reduced output requirements for women due to less strength etc relative to men - but what about equality? Men will be paid less in terms of output per hour, from a purely economical point of view.

You talk about women being better educated nowadays then men. Here in Britain about 25 odd years ago drastic changes took place to narrow the gap between high achieving boys and lower achieving girls - structural reforms in the curriculum with alot of “fluffy” open ended subjects like English literature and media studies having the same weighting as say Physics or Chemistry etc. Now girls have exceeded boys due to these reforms, where are the reforms for boys to narrow the gap today. Wheres the equality? I believe in gender equality not privilege for either males or females. Women believe it is their right to marry a guy and end the marriage for a host of mundane reasons (I’m not saying their aren’t serious reason such as domestic violence, rape etc) and then take take his **** like she is entitled to do so - then why are Western women complaining about where are all the good men gone, lol? You see this alot amongst British Pakistani girls, especially those that I went to college and UNi with and even those that I work with - they feel they are entitled, but if a British Pakistani guy feels he is entitled to something he is insecure, can’t handle an independent strong woman, lol. My sister and cousins are like this, so I know what I’m talking about. More and more of my friend are doing Nikkah without he civil ceremony to protect themselves now - we’ve seen too many of our boys get burnt in divorce court by false allegations.

Anyway, rant over, back to work.

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Nice

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Firstly, I’m not married yet by choice, and trust me, I’m no idiot. You sound like a feminist white knight, bechari larkiyaan, they have it so tough in the west, men are mysogonists etc.

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So if a woman is unhappy, the man is to blame - who’s to blame if the man is unhappy?

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Only for drama :smiley:

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You seriously have not read anything I wrote have you? You can not absolve one party for a divorced based on whim.

If a marriage fails both are to blame. Simple as that.

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lol, i’m just ranting, we’ve actually been debating this today at work on and off, very heated topic. Feminists at work, don’t even want to talk about these issues, they resort to shaming the men that do. Quite a few of the fellas seem right up for it, its all good banter I suppose.

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I wasn’t referring to your post. Secondly I was talking about Western women in general imo.

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I live in Britain too. And these women you know, well, I can’t comment on what they would do but you can’t generalise the whole female population based on a few women in your family. And if you want one side of the Islamic coin then you need to accept the other too. If people are picking and choosing then that says more about them than anything else. As for more British Pakistanis becoming agnostic, there are more that are becoming more interested in their religion. So again you can’t generalise based on only what you see. Where I live in the north of England there’s more youth becoming interested in Islam. There’s a revival going on in the masjids. And I intend to bring my children up in that environment. I’m talking from an Islamic perspective so just as I’d encourage young men to follow the prophet pbuh in being a good husband I would also encourage young women to follow the examples of his wives.
Finally it takes two to tango. Yes there are some men who get done over and some women too but these cases aren’t the majority. You seem biased in your thinking. Marriage takes two people to make it work. If a marriage fails there were faults on both sides. If you end up marrying a woman or man who don’t know the meaning of marriage and how to work at a relationship then that’s bad luck I suppose.

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If anyone’s unhappy then there’s a thing called communication. If you can’t communicate with your spouse then that’s not a good start. If you can’t make it work after communicating the problem then maybe its best to part ways.

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In Islam in “normal” cases the mother would only get custody if the children were very young (up to 7ish for a boy and puberty for a girl).. If the children were younger but she were to remarry she’d also forfeit custody to the father.. After the ages mentioned they would go and live with their father.. A son can choose who he wants to live with later on but a daughter stays under her father’s custody until she marries so it’s actually only in cases where the children are very young that the mother usually gets custody..

Detailed info here: Custody of Children after divorce | Relationships | Fiqh

(I personally don’t think it’s so fair that she needs to stay unmarried to keep her children whilst her husband can remarry with apparently no effect)

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Okay what the hell is seven islamic years?

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Seven years in Islamic calender, I suppose.

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That still a normal year. It ain’t dog years. And supposedly according to the website a 7 year old can fend for himself without parental supervision.