The Prophet Kills 500 Jews?

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It was at the siege of Medina. The Jewish tribe was one with which the Muslims in Medina had such good relations that they signed a full political and military alliance.

When the Polytheist army attacked Medina, Jews allied to the Polytheists persuaded this Jewish tribe allied to the Muslims to switch sides. The Muslims were now faced with an enemy camped outside the city walls and a Jewish enemy fortified inside the city walls, which occasionally was sending out raiding parties into the Muslim soft rear defences. The Jewish tribe was under order to wait for the attack on Medina to start in earnest, and then attack the defenders from the rear.

The siege was eventually lifted when a storm destroyed most of the besidegin polytheists. The traitorous Jews inside Medina now found themselves under siege. They offered to leave peacefully as the other 2 Jewish tribes of Medina had done before when tensions rose between them and the Muslims, but the Muslims wanted justice done for the treason.

The Muslim demand was for an unconditional surrender of the Jews, with the Prophet (saws) to decide their fate thereafter.

The Jews refused this, but agreed to surrender if they could name an arbitrator from amongst the Muslims to decide their fate.

The Prophet (pbuh) agreed to the Jews request. The Jews named Sa'ad ibn Mu'adh (ra) as arbitrator. They thought Sa'ad would be favourable to them, as he had previously been their staunch ally and advocate. Sa'ad accepted this role. He made the Prophet (pbuh) and the Jews swear to abide by his decision.

But Sa'ad was furious about the Jews's treason. He had approached them once after they turned traitor and begged them to rejoin the Muslims, and had been insulted and almost attacked at that time.

Sa'ad decision was that the Jewish men would be executed and the women and children enslaved.

The Prophet (pbuh), having already sworn to abide by the decision, could not challenge it. The only request he made was that children not be separated from their mothers in slavery.

The Jewish tribe decided to reject having their fate decided by the Prophet, who was merciful to his enemies, and instead demanded their faith be decided by a different man. In doing so, they sealed their fate.

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The Jews of Medina were Killed because after promising the prophet that they would be his protectors and help him agaisnt the Meccans, they turned on him by helping the Meccans during the first battle (I think it was the first battle).
Anyways, after winning the Prophet decided that these people should be put to death. He killed the ones who betrayed them, I mean all of them, but spared those that didnt. Im not sure what the number was, possibly 500 or more…

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The Banu Quredha made a political alliance and they broke it, but they weren't part of the muslim ummah anyway, right? So how is this "treason"?

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because the state (or city) of Madinah was governed by Prophet Muhammad:saw: at that time. It was a treason to the state.

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One question maddie - from one of the links posted, one female was executed for having dropped a rock on a muslim and killing him (I am thinking the guy got killed).

But why enslave the other females? Were they part of the treason? And the children? What did they do wrong?

So it is false then that this execution was done by the Prophet - rather he allowed the Jews to democratically choose their executioner? Well now that pulls a new spin to democracy.

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Now let’s see someone crying about them becoming slaves :whistling:

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Actually they were 900 Jews who were executed, not 500 :)

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Well yeah sara - that's why I'm asking - what did the women do? Were they part of the ploy? Aren't women not supposed to be fighting in wars? And what are children doing fighting in wars?

Again, more information is needed. Nothing to whistle about. If your father is committing heinous crimes and treason, should the state have the right to take you and your mom and make you into slaves? And according to Islamic tradition and these same hadith - muslim men can have sex with slaves without marrying them (although of course this is debated).

How would you like to be screwed by Pakistani military officers? Because that's what these hadith/stories suggest.

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The females and children were condemned to their fate by their own political leaders - the heads of the Banu Qurayza, through their agreement to abide by whatever Sa’ad (ra) ruled.

The Prophet (pbuh) did not allow them to choose their own executioner. He allowed them to choose their judge.

There is no evidence to suggest that Sa’ad (ra) actually carried out any of the executions. He merely pronounced judgement upon them.

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Don't tell me the Prophet carried out the executions?

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An more recent example of how people's fate is determined by their political masters is the Louisiana purchase.

The French citizens of New Orleans were suddenly doomed to the misfortune of becoming US citizens in the Louisiana purchase. They had no say in their fate, because the masters of the political system they accepted living under deemed it to happen.

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Probably not. But as the head of state, he probably ordered the judgment of Sa’ad to be carried out, as he was sworn to do.

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Maddie - do you think the sources for this incident that purported the incident happened the way as you tell it - how strong are those sources?

I’d like to see the hadith’s they come from. And I’d also like to see the reasons why Imam Malik thought it was a silly story.

Sorry, I dont know if you know the detailed references or not. If you don’t have time, don’t worry about it. Maddie you should be snoring in digi :nahnah:

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when u have a bunch of Jews pretending to be Muslims writing your history.. these kinda things happen..

don't believe in every fairytale you hear.. Islamic 'history' can't stand up to any scrutiny so just treat it like it is.. a story tale..

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The sources for the history of the Muslims are not subjected to the same standards of authenticity as Hadith are, because the history of the Muslims is not a source of Law. Indeed, the history of the Muslims is not part of the Hadith.

The Hadith are sayings of the Prophet that are relevant as sources of Islam. Accordingly, the history of the Muslims is different from the Hadith. For example, whilst we know that Khalid Ibn Walid led a cavalry charge around Mount Uhud and against the Muslim rear at the Battle of Uhud, this is not part of the Hadith because it was not recorded as having been discussed by the Prophet.

But other Muslims who were there passed on the story to people who ultimately recorded it.

Because these historical stories are not relevant to the practice of Islam, they are not subjected to the same rigid standards of authenticity as Hadith and so can be and are contested.

Frankly, I believe that it is likely. An angry Muslim would be likely to apply the Jews own scripture to them when they surrendered after such an act of treason:

Deutronomy, the 4th book of the Torah, bears the following verses

*20:12 And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it:

20:13 And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:

20:14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, [even] all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.*

There is an account of the Prophet sentencing a Jewish adulterer and adulteress to death after asking them what the punishment for their act in their own books was and deeming them to be punished by that standard.

The way I see it, Sa'ad (ra) followed suit and pronounced upon the Jews a punishment from their own scriptures. What irony!

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Now that is a more interesting take on the matter. Thanks maddie.

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I may be wrong, but from what I read on the internet a long time ago I believe that the reason Imam Malik doubted this version was because he maintained that the historian, Ibn Ishaq, got most of the details of the incident from the Jewish survivors and descendents of Banu Qurazya. He argued that the Jews lied to tried and discredit the Muslims.

Frankly, I'm still personally inclined to belive the "official" version, because it's pretty logical to me. On the other hand, Imam Malik basically lived in Medina almost all the time so if someone was poking around interviewing Jews in the area, he would know.


None the less, I've found a number of Hadiths that do not go against this account.

The principal hadith in the two most widely accepted Sunni hadith collections, Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, with relevance to the Banu Qurayza are the following:

Muslim Book 026, Number 5557 (abridged; remainder describes when not to kill snakes and jinn):

Abu as-Sa'ib, the freed slaved of Hisham b. Zuhra, said that he visited Abu Sa'id Khudri in his house, (and he further) said: ...] He said: There was a young man amongst us who had been newly wedded. We went with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) (to participate in the Battle) of Trench when a young man in the midday used to seek permission from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) to return to his family. One day he sought permission from him and Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) (after granting him the permission) said to him: Carry your weapons with you for I fear the tribe of Quraiza (may harm you). The man carried the weapons and then came back and found his wife standing between the two doors...

Bukhari Volume 5, Book 57, Number 66 (nearly identical to Muslim Book 031, Number 5940:

Narrated 'Abdullah bin Az-Zubair: During the battle of Al-Ahzab, I and 'Umar bin Abi-Salama were kept behind with the women. Behold! I saw (my father) Az-Zubair riding his horse, going to and coming from Bani Quraiza twice or thrice. So when I came back I said, "O my father! I saw you going to and coming from Bani Quraiza?" He said, "Did you really see me, O my son?" I said, "Yes." He said, "Allah's Apostle said, 'Who will go to Bani Quraiza and bring me their news?' So I went, and when I came back, Allah's Apostle mentioned for me both his parents saying, "Let my father and mother be sacrificed for you."'

Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 68 (nearly identical to Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 443; Muslim Book 019, Number 4370 gives slightly more detail):

Narrated 'Aisha: When Allah's Apostle returned on the day (of the battle) of Al-Khandaq (i.e. Trench), he put down his arms and took a bath. Then Gabriel whose head was covered with dust, came to him saying, "You have put down your arms! By Allah, I have not put down my arms yet." Allah's Apostle said, "Where (to go now)?" Gabriel said, "This way," pointing towards the tribe of Bani Quraiza. So Allah's Apostle went out towards them.

Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 444:

Narrated Anas: As if I am just now looking at the dust rising in the street of Banu Ghanm (in Medina) because of the marching of Gabriel's regiment when Allah's Apostle set out to Banu Quraiza (to attack them).

Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 445 (Muslim Book 019, Number 4374 is almost identical, but has "Zuhr" rather than "Asr"):

Narrated Ibn Umar: On the day of Al-Ahzab (i.e. Clans) the Prophet said, "None of you Muslims) should offer the 'Asr prayer but at Banu Quraiza's place." The 'Asr prayer became due for some of them on the way. Some of those said, "We will not offer it till we reach it, the place of Banu Quraiza," while some others said, "No, we will pray at this spot, for the Prophet did not mean that for us." Later on it was mentioned to the Prophet and he did not berate any of the two groups.

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 280 (nearly identical to Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 148 and Volume 8, Book 74, Number 278 and Muslim Book 019, Number 4368-9):

Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri: When the tribe of Bani Quraiza was ready to accept Sad's judgment, Allah's Apostle sent for Sad who was near to him. Sad came, riding a donkey and when he came near, Allah's Apostle said (to the Ansar), "Stand up for your leader." Then Sad came and sat beside Allah's Apostle who said to him. "These people are ready to accept your judgment." Sad said, "I give the judgment that their warriors should be killed and their children and women should be taken as prisoners." The Prophet then remarked, "O Sad! You have judged amongst them with (or similar to) the judgment of the King Allah."

Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 362 (nearly identical to Muslim Book 019, Number 4364):

Narrated Ibn Umar: Bani An-Nadir and Bani Quraiza fought (against the Prophet violating their peace treaty), so the Prophet exiled Bani An-Nadir and allowed Bani Quraiza to remain at their places (in Medina) taking nothing from them till they fought against the Prophet again) . He then killed their men and distributed their women, children and property among the Muslims, but some of them came to the Prophet and he granted them safety, and they embraced Islam. He exiled all the Jews from Medina. They were the Jews of Bani Qainuqa, the tribe of Abdullah bin Salam and the Jews of Bani Haritha and all the other Jews of Medina.

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The pact was broken by the Jews...No only that, they had allied themselves with the enemy and that makes them the enemy...

If the Muslims had broken the pact and become enemies of the Jews, no doubt the Jews would have done more that just slaughter the warriors...

Don't you remember Shylock from Merchant of Venice? They never forgive...

Why should they? And after becoming our enemies? No way...

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It was Ali (ra) and Zubair (ra) who carried out the executions.

They dug a trench in the market of Madinah. The Messenger of Allah instructed that they be brought to the market. Ali and Zubair, that day, beheaded 900 jews and then they were burried them in the trench. That was the end of Banu Quraydha.