The problem is occupation, not Islamic ideology

The problem is occupation, not Islamic ideology

**By Mustafa Malik **
Monday, August 01, 2005

British Prime Minister Tony Blair has waged quite a campaign against a so-called “evil ideology” and the Pakistani madrasas, or Muslim religious schools, which supposedly teach it. In the course of his efforts, British special police have killed an innocent Brazilian electrician who probably looked to them like a madrasa-educated terrorist of Pakistani descent.

Blair borrowed the Bush administration’s dubious intelligence to join the disastrous Iraq war. Now he’s reaching for the administration’s tendentious polemic about Muslim terrorism to wash his hands of the consequences of that war. U.S. President George W. Bush and his neoconservative mentors insist that anti-American terrorism has been spawned by “Islamic extremism,” which Muslim terrorists learn in madrasas and from Islamist ideologues imbued with it.

But there are those in Britain challenging this sophistry, while supporting tough anti-terror measures. Several backbenchers in the British Parliament attributed the terrorist acts in London to Blair’s “involvement in Iraq.” Britain’s leading think tank Chatham House concurred. So do two out of three Britons, according to a poll in The Guardian newspaper.

I worked as a journalist in London in the 1970s, and John Wilkinson, a Conservative member of Parliament from Bradford, the city with Britain’s largest Pakistani population, used to tell me that his Pakistani constituents were “poor but peaceful,” unlike some other minorities who had created a “law-and-order problem.”

The attitudes of Pakistani - and Muslim - youths have since changed dramatically, as I observed during trips to Europe, and Britain in particular. Almost every interview revealed a deep resentment against Western “anti-Muslim” policies. They were especially indignant over the Anglo-American occupation of Iraq, hegemony" over Afghanistan, and U.S. support for the Israeli occupation of Palestinian land.

No sane person would condone, let alone justify, the ghastly crimes committed by the terrorists in London, Madrid or New York and Washington. But bashing madrasas or Islamic “ideology” for these tragedies is a disservice to Westerners as it diverts their attention from the real causes of Muslim terrorism.

Three decades ago I reviewed the curricula of several Pakistani madrasas to write an article for an education supplement of the Pakistan Monitor newsmagazine, published in Lahore. I was troubled to note that they didn’t include any “secular” subjects such as math or science. Today many Pakistani madrasas offer limited secular courses.

In any case, anti-Americanism among Pakistani madrasa students is a new phenomenon. I was a student in Pakistan in 1961 when Lyndon Johnson visited Karachi. His motorcade was applauded by waiting crowds among whom were rows of madrasa students, who were excused by their teachers to welcome the American vice president. The current generation of Pakistani madrasa students is rabidly anti-American and anti-British. But so are most other Pakistanis. Polls show that more than 90 percent of Pakistanis resent the American military presence in Iraq and Afghanistan and its support for Israel and for their own military dictatorship.

Like British Muslims, their most common grievance is against American occupation or support for foreign occupation of Muslim lands. A British Home Office study leaked recently to The Times of London found British Muslims show “strong opposition to terrorism and loyalty to Britain,” but are anguished by “a perception of ‘double standards’ in British foreign policy, where democracy is preached but oppression … practiced or tolerated, e.g. in Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Kashmir, Chechnya.”

**Foreign occupation and domination is the real wellspring of terrorism, especially suicide terrorism. In the most comprehensive study yet of suicide terrorist attacks during 1980-2004, Robert Pape found that 95 percent of them were targeted at what the terrorists considered foreign occupation of their or their allies’ homelands. **

**In his book “Dying to Win,” Pape says Arabs have learned suicide terror techniques from Sri Lankan Tamils and Marxist Kurds in Turkey. Terrorists use religion as an inspiration when they have “a religious difference” with their adversaries. **

**Blair said recently that he plans to tackle “the roots of terrorism.” If he’s serious, he should heed the findings of the Chatham House, his Home Office and The Guardian poll. Occupation of Muslim lands - and not an Islamic “ideology” or the madrasas - is what is breeding Muslim terrorism. **

Mustafa Malik, a columnist with the Nexus Syndicate in Washington, He wrote this article for THE DAILY STAR.

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.aspedition_id=10&categ_id=5&article_id=17243

Re: The problem is occupation, not Islamic ideology

Blair says its THEIR IDEOLOGY, and Bush says its OUR WAY OF LIFE they are jealous of. Jokes aside I think Bush is intelligent enough to see the connection between Operation Occupation and terrorist attacks yet he plays dumb when addressing the American public. So does Blair. And so do SOME on this forum.

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Blair is trying to pull a fast one and fool the british public yet again first he denies any link to iraq then cliams people jealous of their way of life say what!

jealous we aint jealous look keep your democrohypocrisy if u like it fine keep it we don't want it we don't give a damn what you do but the muslims have the right to implement their own systems i.e the islamic one and we don't want the western corrupt system forced on us by the colonialists and there puppets

Re: The problem is occupation, not Islamic ideology

I would like to see Israeli settlements in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran and 44 other islamic countries. At that point I would see the connection between ocupation versus whatever that nitwit columnist wrote, till then it's a war on terror and hording up on oil, it's called safeguarding your national interests.

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^ It is not a war on terror but war of terror.

Re: The problem is occupation, not Islamic ideology

^^ Depends entirely on which side of the fence you are on. The side that I am on its "on" not "of".

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Problem is certainly related to illegal and oppressive occupation, but that is not the only reason for terrorism. Extreme teachings propagated over the last 20-30 years is also part of the problem. If we pin blame on just one side not only wud it be unfair it wud be counter-productive for finding any real solutions...

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Its called war crimes. Violation of International law. Killing innocent people and acting like an aggressor nation and joining the ranks of Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany.

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I dont know how many muslim nations have flagrantly flouted international law to attack other muslim nations? How come we never see any thread condemning that?

When Sudanese arabs are killing muslims, it’s “sit on the sideline and say nothing.” n Now that the Christians and Muslims are rioting in Sudan, i can’t wait to see some hateful thread on how some muslim was mercilessly butchered by the crusading christians:rolleyes:

Re: The problem is occupation, not Islamic ideology

Verizon the question really is who is feeding you this propoganda?

Re: The problem is occupation, not Islamic ideology

Ideology is responsible for occupation, especially the ideology based on Biddu-ism, Tribalism, and nut-headed-ness.

Arrabobs have used the weirdest ideology nay idiot-ology for the last 70 years. Naming it Islamic or coloring it green, is not going to change the fundamentals.

Iqbal said it many years ago that “Hay Jurm-e-Zaifee ki saza Marg-e-Mufajat” **or simply survival of the fittest. **

Arrabobs don’t have the sole ownership of this idiot-ology. Tribal ideology has suffered all over the world even in LaluKhet and North Nazimabad.

Even in our own backyard, Muhajarism was simply the love for your Bihari tribe that ruined the city of lights. Bhatta Khori in the name of MQM utterly destroyed the budding industry of Karachi.

Moral of the story is ** “Stupid ideologies lead to orthodoxy, and orthodoxy leads to stagnation, and stagnation leads to occupation”.**

p.s. I didn’t want to start an anti-Altaf thread. Just wanted to show that an idiot-ology can simply ruin any area. You don’t have to be a Biddu wearing a Demagh Choos. Bihar’s Lallu Parsad is another example of idiot-ology.

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Spreading hate again? Tsk...tsk....

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//Blair is trying to pull a fast one and fool the british public yet again first he denies any link to iraq then cliams people jealous of their way of life say what!

jealous we aint jealous look keep your democrohypocrisy if u like it fine keep it we don't want it we don't give a damn what you do but the muslims have the right to implement their own systems i.e the islamic one and we don't want the western corrupt system forced on us by the colonialists and there puppets//

I just dont understand the kind of hatred that you spew in this forums. You seem to hate everything about democracy, but then why do you choose to live under it and agree publicly to abide by its rules. You talk about the corrupt western system. Does Islam have a system that can be followed. If so why cant you take the lead and implement one. In your heart you understand and know that such a system will collapse before the sun sets.
By this constant hate mongering, what are you trying to achieve. If you sincerely believe the democracy is wrong, give us a viable alternative.....(and implement it)

Re: The problem is occupation, not Islamic ideology

You are correct one one point i don’t like democracy because its a BS thought and is in reality not practicle it claims everyone has the right to be elected but in reality you have to billions of dollars behind you to be elected so everyone is not in the equation no longer.

Secondly the person is power is biased and does things for his bank balance or his groups personal gain and interest even if the rest of the country suffers. I could go on but this topic has been debated on this forum 100 times do a quick search and you will find them.

Rash don’t make assumptions which you know nothing about the muslim world wants islam full stop and if you think it will colllapse then you have nothing to fear, also why your war hereos like bush and blair planning day and night occupying physically lands to prevent this phenomenon returning.

the reality is islamic state will return its inevitable and blair has now come full circle and admitted this in his speeches and his new targets are the people calling for the return of the islamic state.

and why is that because its the wests worst nightmare something which they thought they buried after world war 1, something they would never mention is being called for again!

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//Secondly the person is power is biased and does things for his bank balance or his groups personal gain and interest even if the rest of the country suffers. I could go on but this topic has been debated on this forum 100 times do a quick search and you will find them.//

This shows how much you understand about democracy. Please dont jump to conclusions.
When a leader is corrupt and does not work for the national good, he is thrown out and a new set of leaders are sworn in. I can keep giving you examples of this, but I understand that it wont make any difference to you. Inspite of that I would like to give a few examples
1) In India when we felt that the BJP was doing no good we threw them out and elected the congress govt to power..
That is the power of democracy

You believe that Bush is physically trying to occupy the lands to stop the phenomenon from returning. You should be really living in a fool's paradise, nothing else...
The continuance of Saddam would have been the biggest deterrent to pure Islam. I hope you understand what I mean. Saddam was a dictator who brooked no dissidence.

The call for a pure Islamic country has been there since the incept of Islam. If such a state existed why did it collapse. If it collapsed because of the bad influence of west, my question would be ---Was the system so fragile that it could not withstand outside influence.

For you I can tell you only one statement -"Ignorance is bliss"

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obviously you cannot listen when somebody has asked you to do a simple request , so i will leave you in your continuing dream of democrohypocrisy because that debate died years ago.

As for the physcial occupation of iraq and the bases in countless other countries, the US has realised it can no longer rely on its puppets to implement its plans it has fully failed to convince the people of the region of its ideals and goals so now the West has resorted to brute force colonial occupation yet again like it did in the past, clear indication the people hav given the middle finger to western policies and systems.

As for your very shallow analysis of why the islamic system collapsed i suggest you read up on this subject before making more foolish statements which you cannot even back up.

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I think if we just ended the Arab occupation of Judea, all would be well.... There is no Palestine, there never has been a Palestine, and those claiming to be the poor, abused Palestinians are deluded..

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Right there were never any native Americans, any one living on a reservation is deluded and should start payying taxes…

Samson was never a suicide terrorists who brought down pillars upon himself and the Phillistines because Phillistines never exsisted, David never slew anyone with a sling shot, and Moses never examined the underwear of little girls because he never fought any orignal inhabitants of the Sinai…

Infact the entire bible speaking of atrocities committed by the Isrealis or committed upon Isrealis is a strict fabrication, because no one exsisted in those areas…

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so i will leave you in your continuing dream of democrohypocrisy because that debate died years ago.

Was there ever a debate. Where r u living !!!
Stop smoking whatever u r and listen to the voice of reason.

AK one simple question(hope you have stopped smoking now)
Why did the Islamic form of govt collapse. Being such a knowledgeable and all knowing person you should also give me the reason why Islam was so fragile.