Re: The problem is occupation, not Islamic ideology
rash fool i don’t smoke and secondly if you claim to know so much about the islamic ideology why don’t you tell us why did the islamic state collapse lets see if you can do a simple task called research, islam is not fragile at all it is the best system for mankind it is mankind that is fragile you should know that judging by your poor responses.
Re: The problem is occupation, not Islamic ideology
AK do you read what you write or do you just type without thinking.
A system cannot be perfect unless it can work in this world.
I agree with you AK when you say that mankind is fragile and not Islam. Arent you partially agreeing that Islam as a system cannot succeed in this world since mankind is so fragile and prone to failures.
So AK come over to my side now. We dont have any disagreements now right !!!
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AK…I agree with you that mankind is fragile, no doubts about that…But religion is a concept that is required to put Mankind’s fagileness at bay. Now if this same concept cannot fulfill its purpose then why the need for it?
Let me put what you said in a another manner. Suppose you poured boiling water into a plastic cup…obviously that cup wouldnt be able to stand the temperature and give away…Now you can always claim that the cup is the best to hold water and that the fault lay with the water itself…it was just too hot!!!
Got it!!
I am not saying that Islam is a religion that cannot be followed…it certainly is! But the fact is that we humans are unlike each other. We differ in our fragileness, in our mental strength and beliefs. An ideal religion is that which can cater to all sections of people without undermining its true principles.
Sorry if what I have said is way off the topic…just wanted to clear your ignorance.
Ciao…
Re: The problem is occupation, not Islamic ideology
Thats not what I heard, I heard you were puffing the magic dragon.
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Rashguy if islam is perfect than why would i want to accept a bankrupt system like democracy. Analogy If i offered you a ferrai or a Hindustan Motors ambassador car you would obviously choose the ferrari no offence to ambassador car owners!
Human beings for sure are designed to make mistakes, nobody said the islamic state will be a state full of angels even when the prophet(saw) was the amir you had thieves, adulturers, murderers etc and the system was in place to deal with such problems.
ISlam is most definetly appllicable today nobody has given an argument to refute this even today.
that is why the western colonialist have to physcially occupy muslim lands they no longer can rely on their puppets in the region to do the job because their days are numbered.
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religion is a concept to put mankinds fragilness at bay? this does not make sense can you explain your definetion of religion because it differs from mine.
I think it is best to speak clear language because your examples on boiling water was not clear no pun intended.
Ok your last point i can comment on, when you say religion i think you refer to ideology. this is a good point the islamic ideology caters for all mankind you do not have to be a muslim to live under the islamic state just as a simple example you can look at alandulusia today called spain,where the jews had thier golden era, also the jews again when they was being persecuted by the xstians in europe where did they go they went to the khalifha in turkey and asked him we need a place to go where our belief and lives will be safe and they where granted permission to live the capital of the islamic state at that time.
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Going out on a limb here… but… umm… it doesn’t exist today and any attempt at it since it failed as a governing system has been a total failure?
BTW, congrats on dodging the new UK deportation laws… for now.
Re: The problem is occupation, not Islamic ideology
The systems in place today have failed in catering for the peoples needs in particular in the east that is why islam has arisen as the threat to western colonialism.
and the west will do whatever it take to make sure islam does not arise as a force because they fully know their interests and their ideology will not only be exposed but will collapse soon as the islamic state reaches takes shape.
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^^ Semi, I agree.
You know, I hope there is a political Islamic model that makes sense someday. But what are our examples of Islamic rule today? The Taliban and Iran? Oh please.
Just a piece of advice, start small.
Find one small country that wants Sahria law, and implement an ideal Islamic Republic. That way the whole world can judge the success. We can see if minorities are treated well, ancient statues are blown up, vice and virtue police scoop people off the street etc.
Honestly, I hope it works out well, the world will be a more peaceful place.
Until then however, the promises of a Khilifah are just a pig in a poke. (excuse the expression).
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^ just shows how poor the education system is in Amerikka if they think Iran is an islamic state!
try studying the constitution of Iran you dimwits.
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Poor education system, dimwits 
How rich is that coming from you and the “education” system of your own coutnry.
*Islamic Republic of Afghanistan
Islamic Republic of Iran
Islamic Republic of Pakistan *
No one knows what an Islamic state is. That concept was invented by man, not ordained by God. Saudi Arabia, Keeper of the Holy Places calls itself an Islamic society. The confusion on what an Islamic state is comes from Muslims themselves, not from those living in enlightened societies.
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// Analogy If i offered you a ferrai or a Hindustan Motors ambassador car you would obviously choose the ferrari //
Well that depends on the conditions that you offer the ferrari or the ambassador. If you r doing it, I would definitely take the ambassador..
Jokes apart, if you gave me a ferrari while I am in Bihar I would prefer the ambassador coz there are less chances of the ambassador being stolen...
Do you get the point. If I cant use a system that is perfect, I would use a system that is less than perfect. Can you extrapolate the same to a community and then you will understand why Islam as a political regime failed.
AK you still have not answered my question. If you dont have a answer, please dont beat around the bush.
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you live in an enlightened society oh please 
your own population does’nt even know where is this new country with new spelling called eyeraq and calls europe Yurop keep dreaming your so poor in research you don’t even know what a simple definetion of an islamic state even with the internet smack in your face your media put a picture of taleban or a mullah with 10 foot beard and that is your defintion fox news style.
dont worry about the muslims we know fully well what is an islamic state but obviously you dont have clue give keep guessing you might get 1 answer right one day.
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^ I am a muslim and I dont know what an islamic state is. Actually I dont even think that the people proposing for a muslim state know what an Islamic state should look like.
Why dont you setup a islamic state in the Bronx Zoo in the chimpanzee section, lets all see the state before we can give you beggers some funds (IMF or USAID).
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its no problem for you to choose the ambassador this your choice, but i will beat you 100 times over with the ferrari 
You are the one who did not answer my question as to why the islamic state collapsed when you get the answer for that you will realise it was not the system at fault.
and that is why islamic state on its return is the most perfect system for all mankind and you will only be convinced once you see the example in practice because today all you hear is islam is terror this and terror that when in fact the real terror is inflicted by the powers that be in washington and london.
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Awaiting anxiously for your reply
Re: The problem is occupation, not Islamic ideology
Obviously you don’t as we have all kinds of variations since the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, which was nothing more than a man made system which justified its wars and land-grabbing by claiming to be some God-ordained system. So don’t chastise me for not knowing what an “Islamic state” is as Muslims have no clue.
Re: The problem is occupation, not Islamic ideology
^ really ok sheikh airhole why don't you tell the whole world what is an islamic state or are we going to have more hot air blowing from ur hole!
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You are a racist bigot with alot of free time.
Re: The problem is occupation, not Islamic ideology
^^Come close to the cage I'll give you a banana, for eating purposes only, John Bolt-on has a special one the other purpose. ;)