The peer faqeer syndrome

[Niksik]

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^^ It’s like us desi folks who hate Amreeki doctors who send us home without any meds. Back home, there’s a medicine for everything even if it’s boiled pudina in a brown bottle.

[Doppleganger]

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@Niksik

So why is it that it’s mostly women lining up at bayans and halaqas of the peer-faqeers to get one-on-one mashawaras and “bayts” and wazeefah recommendations? Is it because it’s mostly women who are victims of kalaa jadoo and buri nazar? :halo:

Or is it because it is so much easier to blame your misfortunes and bad decisions on kaala jadoo and buri nazar, and then get these lengthy wazeefahs so you can compete with the women in your community about who’s got the hardest wazeefah?

Sorry. Had to check with you intelligent folks out there.

So you don’t believe magic is real? Just an interesting and related question…

[KKF]

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@ Niksik…lol, TRUE!

[Doppleganger]

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@TLK

Yes. In fact I once heard an aalim saying that if you tell these people to go and read Tahajjud alaong with your Fardh, they wont like it. But if you tell them that read this wazeefa or wear that taweez, they will say wah wah kitna achcha molvi hai, har cheez ka wazeefa hai in ke paas.

So people are giving taweez so namaz isn’t necessary? I am confused by the post here.

[TLK]

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@Doppleganger

So people are giving taweez so namaz isn’t necessary? I am confused by the post here.

No, the general awaam does not take “read namaz regularly” as a good advice. They think that Sheikh, if giving advice to do 5 times Namaaz is a week peer, and one who gives taweez knows the root of the problem.

[Doppleganger]

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Was it namaz itself that fixed the problem regarding magic faced by Prophet Muhammad (SAW)?

[KKF]

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@TLK

Yes. In fact I once heard an aalim saying that if you tell these people to go and read Tahajjud alaong with your Fardh, they wont like it. But if you tell them that read this wazeefa or wear that taweez, they will say wah wah kitna achcha molvi hai, har cheez ka wazeefa hai in ke paas.

right, isn’t that a sign of pure jihaalat? i’m sure it is!

[Niksik]

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@Doppleganger

So you don’t believe magic is real? Just an interesting and related question…

I’m sure there’s truth to magic. But I just can’t believe that it’s as common as it’s made out to be. And that it’s usually the women folk who’re victims. Also, do people really have so much time to go get someone to do magic on someone? I mean really?

[TLK]

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@Doppleganger

Was it namaz itself that fixed the problem regarding magic faced by Prophet Muhammad (SAW)?

No, but solution was given to Prophet by Allah, not by Peer Moju Al Azeem Kamarbandi.

[Niksik]

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@Doppleganger

Was it namaz itself that fixed the problem regarding magic faced by Prophet Muhammad (SAW)?

It was the recitation of the al Mu’awwidhatayn that RasoolAllah saw, recited to cure the magic. It’s also been highly recommended that we regular folks make a habit of reading those. Simple.

[Doppleganger]

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I am going to stick to Pakistan india and say yeah. Do you see anything really productive going on there? I mean if india pakistani desi people were so productive then they would be america or another america right now.

Not everything is magic which is true but people do practice the black arts in Pakistan. You would say that magic is banned in islam but how many of us muslims follow all of islam?

[TLK]

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@Doppleganger

but how many of us muslims follow all of islam?

and that is the essence of this thread I think

[Doppleganger]

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@TLK

No, but solution was given to Prophet by Allah, not by Peer Moju Al Azeem Kamarbandi.

Why would the prophet need to go to anyone when God gave islam through him to us? Why need alims at all since Prophet Muhammad didn’t need any alims at all? Heck, Pakistan might be a better place if mullahs were gone as far as tolerance and liberalism goes in the country and we actually might have better standard of living.

Isn’t tableeghi jamat full of them ? I bring their example because I and my brother have met them here who are trying to get us to go on some sort of “missions” with them…

[ButtSb]

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oh well…just one more thing that confirms that women are stupider..

[queen_24]

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This sounds strange and stupid to coming from a woman’s mouth but still, I, being a woman, would say, that a Woman has known to be weaker than a man. Weaker as in faith, weaker as in beliefs and weaker as in believing in gossips going all around. She can easily be misdirected than men. It’s a woman’s nature.

For such a fact, that is why a man’s evidence is equivalent to two women’s evidence. And at so many places, Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. discussed about the deficient intelligence of a woman.

I think that’s why most of the women look for the assistance of Peer Faqeer and taaweez and ganday. Because they think, they can bring a better solution to their problems.

I would also like to mention that in fact not only women but a huge group of men also follow these peeri faqeeris and taweez and ganday but it can not be denied that the amount of women who tend to be more relying on peer, faqeers and taweez is double than the amount of men.

P.S. Allah ke liye wo khawateen jo apnay aap ko dimaghi taur p bohat zada hoshiyar aur aqalmand samajhti hain aur peeri faqeeri ko khatir main nahin laaten aur aisee bato ko fazuliyat samajhti hay, please is comment ko ignore karden, ye comment aap jesi nek, mazboot aur aqalmand aurat k liye nahin hay. Ye un KUCH aurton ke liye hay jo is definition p poora nahin utarteen. Ye comment, aqalmand vs naqisul aqal aurat ke liye nahin hay, isme sirf naqisul aqal aurat ke sifaat ko bayaan kiya gaya hay lehaza abc vs xyz ki grouping se gurez kiya jaaye, ain nawazish hogi. Shukriya.

[X2]

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@TLK

No, the general awaam does not take “read namaz regularly” as a good advice. They think that Sheikh, if giving advice to do 5 times Namaaz is a week peer, and one who gives taweez knows the root of the problem.

I will write a taveez for you which will improve your english.

[TLK]

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^ Try writing that using your android phone and swype feature. Your smart phone will make you look dumb

[KKF]

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@Insaf ka tarazu

peer pressure?

yes…both type of pressures:

peer pressure [as in peer auliyaa and peer pressure]
peer pressure [pronounced as pier pressure]

[diwana]

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Peer Altaf Hussain also had female workers falling over to meet him.

[madz124]

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This thread reminded me of two things:
1- The song “meri daachi de gal vich taliyan, ve main peer manauwan challi aan, peera ho”
2- The book Peer-e-Kamil by Umera Ahmed. When someone first recommended the novel to me, I was slightly turned off, thinking it’s about some peer fakeers. Little did I know, it was about Prophet Muhammad PBUH - the final and most complete/perfect peer of all time.

@Niksik

So why is it that it’s mostly women lining up at bayans and halaqas of the peer-faqeers to get one-on-one mashawaras and “bayts” and wazeefah recommendations? Is it because it’s mostly women who are victims of kalaa jadoo and buri nazar? :halo:

Or is it because it is so much easier to blame your misfortunes and bad decisions on kaala jadoo and buri nazar, and then get these lengthy wazeefahs so you can compete with the women in your community about who’s got the hardest wazeefah?

I think this is mostly prevalent in areas where women are mainly housewives / men are the main breadwinners, and joint family system is common. So pretty much in Pakistan and India. These women spend a lot of time dealing with drama associated with saas-susr/bhabhi/nand/jithani/etc. Their daily lives are hectic and their problems are centered around their families. Compared to that, their husbands/brothers/fathers are busy earning for the khandaan, so they have little time to worry about micro problems like why saas gives preferential treatment to bahu#3 and how to woo the MIL so she will finally acknowledge all my efforts towards this family.

Apart from the nature of problems each gender faces, I think lack of higher education among these women is another big factor, as men provide for the family so it’s imp they are well educated to succeed in their respective careers (not so imp to send women to college/university). So if someone is having difficulty conceiving a child, their first thought is not to consult the doctor but to find out from the peers if perhaps jithani sahiba is doing jaadu tona (because hey, I did find that extra roll of hair under my pillow the other day that didn’t belong to me and we all know, jithani has her eyes set on inheritance money belonging to first child to be born in the family).

Very rarely, we do find highly educated and resourceful women from upper class who also turn to these peer fakeers. I think they do so out of desperation. Sort of as a last resort to find a quick fix to their problems. Being a socialite and an elitist, they were probably never too close to religion to begin with and their lifestyle didn’t allow for much time to nurture their family and home. So when trouble knocks on the door, they don’t know whom to turn to. A person is easier to talk to (much like therapy sessions with a psychiatrist); it’s harder to “get answers” from Allah when you’re not accustomed to doing so.