The Pakhtun, the Taliban and Imran Khan

Imran says that people are joining Taliban because the country is in alliance with America. He completely ignores that Taliban fasaad was going on even when there was no American interference. It is just that at that time the fasaad was being waged in Afghanistan, and they were waiting for the fasaad to finish off their first before moving to Pakistan.

It’s sad that he looks at this serious conflict in nationalist terms.

http://www.valleyswat.net/articles/Pakhtun_Taliban_Imran.html
By Farhat Taj
Hate for the US is the problem of Imran Khan or his anti-Pakhtun allies. It is not the problem of the people of FATA. Their problem is occupation of their land by the international jihadi gangs. There are clear signs that the people of FATA are cooperating with the Americans in liberating their land from the jihadi occupation

This is in response to Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) Chairman Imran Khan’s recent declaration that **he is ready to mediate and start negotiations with the Taliban **to secure a peace agreement if the government is willing to guarantee that it would not scrap the peace deal with them under US pressure. He made this offer in an interview with Dr Moeed Pirzada on a private TV channel. By now Imran Khan stands fully exposed that he is one of the forces of darkness — the jihadi generals like Hamid Gul, the Jamaat-e-Islami and other pan-Islamists like the Deobandis, neo-Wahabis and Akhwan ideologues. Together they have given the Taliban identity to the Pakhtun and caused massacre of over three million of them on both sides of the Durand Line. **They continue to destroy the Pakhtun for a great game against India and in the name of global Islamism. **It is, however, the duty of all educated Pakhtuns to challenge the bizarre fabrications that Imran Khan attributed to the people of FATA to justify his offer.

The militants, in Imran Khan’s own words in the interview, are 15,000. Clearly not all of them are tribesmen. They include the Punjabi Taliban and foreign terrorists. There are no signs that these 15,000 or so terrorists are backed by tribal society. There has never been any grand tribal jirga in any tribal area that backed the terrorists, local or foreign. The Taliban groups in FATA are Hafiz Gul Abrader Groups, Haqqani Group, Mullah Nazeer Group, Turkistan Brittani Group, Tariq Afridi Group, Mangal Bagh Group, and Maulvi Omar Group. These terrorist groups are killing indiscriminately inside and beyond FATA. None of them had ever been backed by tribal jirgas. In fact, some of them have banned jirgas and termed them as ‘un-Islamic’ institutions. These groups have to be crushed for peace in Pakhtunkhwa and wider Pakistan. Anyone seeking dialogue with such groups is the enemy of the Pakhtun and Pakistan.

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well you must also remeber that at that times taliban were fighting for their country. and you must also remember that at that time it was not only talibans but also the russian supported northern alliance was also present

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This is a little dated but relevant video on the topic:

Thankfully Pakistan got its act together and liberated Swat from these jackasses.

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Fighting for country from WHOM? Wasn't the opposition Afghans too?
And how is your post relevant to Imran's support to Taliban? How is it relevant to the topic?

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But I am afraid new potential leaders like Imran Khan will again throw Pakistan in the same hole.

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Imran Khan is not a potential leader. We should be afraid of the ISI/Army doing that in the name of strategic interest. All IK/JI will do is provide them with ideological and political cover.

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I dont believe he has any malicious intentions he just dont get it. He simply is not a leader. He can not think, can not lead (ok he can lead a team but not a country)

Although I criticize him very often, but its hard to suspect his intentions.

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The army or ISI know much more than all of us, and they should take all the steps to safe guard the country's interests...

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A good instance of what you are saying wrt Imran Khan happened when the TTP attacked the ahmadies in Lahore. This is what IK said:

And Imran Khan says: “I went to the hospital in Lahore, to visit the wounded of the attacks of the two mosques,” he says, referring to the attacks last Friday at the sect of the Ahmadi community, which killed nearly a hundred people. "Unfortunately not be the last. Sending the army in the tribal areas have done a tremendous gift to our enemies: we have unified. … When you bombard your population, what happens is that the fleeing militants and civilians remain on the ground. And 'have created a monstrous spiral of hatred. And it’s all because of the unfortunate choice of Pakistan to fight the American war. Until 2004, before the army went in the tribal areas, there was not even a suicide bombing in Pakistan. Today we have 140,000 soldiers on the border with Afghanistan to fight a war, not ours. It makes no sense. "

This is what the Taleban said:

“Congratulations to the whole nation on what the brave mujahideen did yesterday in Garhi Shahu and Model Town, Lahore,” Taliban spokesman Muhammad Omar said in a statement.

He said, “On the whole, we do like to encourage the nation for increasing such activities, like targeted killings of qadianis, shias, the political parties that support them, as well as law enforcement agencies, the Pakistan Army and other racist parties.”

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2010\05\30\story_30-5-2010_pg1_3

Note that while the Taleban spokesperson wants unqualified killing of qadianis/shias, Imran Khan chooses to paint this as a reaction to bombing etc. It is like America’s support of Israel.. whenever Israel commits an atrocity America will express pro-forma sympathy with the Palestinians (on good days) then shift focus to what Israel sees as justification for its crimes.

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The arrest of raymond davis proves that the tehreek e taliban is creation of CIA.Before 2005 this organization didnt exist.
Its only after musharraf allowed cia into tribal areas under the cover of finding osama bin ladin that this monster came about.
Punjab government has accused raymond davis of recruiting boys from south punjab for terror activities.

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so which Pakistani Taliban existed before attack on Afghanistan and how many suicide bombings took place in Pakistan?

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Dude you were with them in bed, they were portrayed as warriors of Islam directly descendent's from heaven. No body was stopping them from whatever the f. they were doing in pak/afghan.

flawed logic you have.

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same **** different name. much of the violence conducted under the name 'taliban' today was done by a host of different organizations with pretty similar motives as those of the taliban (as evidenced by the quote in my last post). suicide bombing happens to be a new tactic (copied incidentally from Iraq), the violence is not new.

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Thats why I hate Zaliman and their so called supporters including N$/Immi Bhai.

Read it all..How the Taliban slaughtered thousands of people

No mercy: men, women and children were murdered in their homes as Taliban gunmen took over Mazar-e-Sharif

The Sunday Times , Nov.1,1998

THE first detailed eyewitness accounts of the massacre of up to 8,000 people by Islamic fundamentalist Taliban fighters who ran amok in the northern Afghan city of Mazar-e-Sharif last August have been passed to western governments.

Testimony compiled by international observers and handed to western diplomats in Pakistan reveals that hundreds of people were packed into containers where they suffocated when the doors were locked in the searing midday heat. Men, women and children were shot in their homes and on the street, and hospital patients were murdered in their beds.

The massacre occurred when, during an offensive aimed at seizing full control of Afghanistan for the first time, Mazar-e-Sharif was overrun by the Taliban, who have imposed the world's most extreme interpretation of Islam, barring women from education, banning television and forcing men to wear beards.

Statements made available to The Sunday Times describe a campaign of slaughter directed against a Shia Muslim minority, the Hazara. The evidence, regarded by experienced aid officials as "highly credible", paints a ghastly picture of butchery and rape as the Taliban shot and cut the throats of Hazaras.

The claims are supported by the influential American group Human Rights Watch, which is due to reveal its own findings on the massacre today and will call on the United Nations to investigate what it describes as "one of the single worst examples of killings of civilians in Afghanistan's 20-year war".

The detailed evidence of Taliban atrocities will embarrass western policymakers who still see the fundamentalists as useful players in a modern "great game" to keep Iranian and Russian influence out of Afghanistan and so ensure that the huge oil and gas riches of central Asia remain a prize for western multinationals.

Ten diplomats from Tehran were among those who died, prompting Iran to mass 200,000 troops on its border with Afghanistan to bolster demands for the killers to be handed over for trial. Troop "manoeuvres" were due to begin yesterday.

Based on eyewitness statements, The Sunday Times has pieced together an account of the nightmare that engulfed Mazar-e-Sharif when the Taliban entered the city from the west on the morning of August 8. They were intent on avenging a massacre of some 2,000 of their own men in 1997, when the Hazaras and other fighters turned against them.

There ensued what one witness called "a frenzy" of vengeance killing. The Taliban fighters swept through the city, firing heavy machineguns mounted on pickup trucks. One man described how the streets were covered with bodies and blood. The Taliban, he said, forbade anyone to bury the corpses for six days.

On the second day, according to numerous witnesses, the Taliban began a house-to-house search for Hazara men. Hazaras, descended from Mongols, are easy to recognise by their distinctive Asiatic features compared with the ethnic Pashtuns who make up the ranks of the Taliban. They share their Shia faith with Iran, while the Taliban are Sunni Muslims.

A witness whose testimony is described as "extremely reliable" by aid officials said most of the victims had been shot in the head, the chest and the testicles. Others had been slaughtered in what he called "the halal way" - by having their throats slit.

One housewife, who has since fled to Pakistan, said the Taliban entered her house and shot her husband and her two brothers dead. Then they cut the men's throats in front of the woman and her children.

Another piece of testimony explained why one Taliban was "very worried he might be excluded from heaven". He had personally shot people in nearly 30 houses, opting to kill them as soon as they opened the door. After killing the men in two homes, he learnt that they were not Hazara but Pashtun. "That he had killed people in 28 Hazara households seemed not to cause him any concern at all," the witness said.

Men not murdered on the spot were "stuffed into containers after being badly beaten", said another witness. He saw the doors opened on a container after all the men inside had died from suffocation.

He also testified that some containers were filled with children who were taken to an unknown destination after their parents had been killed.

Human Rights Watch has obtained gruesome confirmation of the Taliban's penchant for death by container. It quotes a man who was detained by the militia and saw container trucks filled with victims leaving the Mazar-e-Sharif jail several times every day.

Once he watched as the Taliban opened the container doors to find three prisoners alive and about 300 dead. The Taliban drove the trucks to a desert site known as Dasht-e-Leili and ordered porters to dump the cargo of corpses in the sands.

The Human Rights Watch report and other statements identify three Taliban leaders who appear to be guilty of incitement to kill victims purely because of their ethnic origin. They are:

Mullah Manon Niazi,
the new Taliban governor of Mazar-e-Sharif. Numerous witnesses heard him make speeches at mosques and on radio inciting hatred of Hazaras. "Wherever you go we will catch you," he said. "If you go up, we will pull you down by your feet; if you hide below we will pull you up by your hair." One witness testified that Niazi personally selected prisoners to be consigned to the death containers.

Mullah Musa,
the so-called director of public health. A witness said Musa toured a public hospital looking for Hazara patients to mark out for death. Later that day, the witness heard from a doctor that Musa had taken a group of gunmen to the army hospital, where they had murdered all 20 or so patients, and relatives who had been visiting them.

Maulawi Mohammed Hanif,
a Taliban commander who announced to a crowd of 300 people summoned to a mosque that the policy of the Taliban was to "exterminate" the Hazaras.

International aid workers fear the killings are continuing following the recent fall of the central Afghan town of Bamiyan. They have said thousands of people remain unaccounted for.

And dont give a damn difference between Afghani and Pakistani Zalimans.

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well said

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Partially correct. When TTP came into being they recruited different sectarian orgs of which none had committed "suicide bombing" before, targets were mainly "other sects" but hardly police posts, army posts, police academy, army hospital etc, so not only tactic has changed but also the target, which probably shows sponsor/financier has changed.

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why is it so hard to understand, they were not attacking army/polics etc..etc coz they were in bed with each other.

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They were NOT in bed with police, I disagree, may be a district or two SP. Only LJ and LET were in bed with ISI but with emergence of TTP probably that changed.

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I agree that the targets were expanded, and that they incorporated many sectarian organizations. Therefore when TTP commits an attack such as the one against the ahmedies, and the reaction is to merely claim that this only has to do with the american war against Afghanistan, as opposed to being associated with a continuous trend of violence since the 80s.. that is patently BS. The result is to take attention away from our long-standing bigotry and intolerance against minorities, and use the same language that the taleban would like to be used to mitigate reactions to their killing spree.