Re: The Pakhtun, the Taliban and Imran Khan
They were NOT in bed with police, I disagree, may be a district or two SP. Only LJ and LET were in bed with ISI but with emergence of TTP probably that changed.
when i said army/police it mean state of Pakistan.
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I dont believe he has any malicious intentions
Well, it doesn't matter whether his intentions are malicious or not, what matters is that his intentions will revert all the ground we have gained against extremist groups in the country.
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I agree that the targets were expanded, and that they incorporated many sectarian organizations. Therefore when TTP commits an attack such as the one against the ahmedies, and the reaction is to merely claim that this only has to do with the american war against Afghanistan, as opposed to being associated with a continuous trend of violence since the 80s.. that is patently BS. The result is to take attention away from our long-standing bigotry and intolerance against minorities, and use the same language that the taleban would like to be used to mitigate reactions to their killing spree.
so you do agree that targets were expanded, now why would target be expanded to include govt institutions which most likely have people from all sects?
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so you do agree that targets were expanded, now why would target be expanded to include govt institutions which most likely have people from all sects?
because the perpetrators are anti-state. however even when sects are targeted and you make it about the american war in afghanistan, and this happens every time some major terrorist organization gets negative press whether or not a government building is targeted (say a woman is whipped in Swat) you are being a little disingenuous.
this is why the specific quotes I have given from both TTP and Imran Khan are in the clear case of violence and extremism against minorities. The TTP person wants to kill minorities everywhere. Imran Khan paints it as an expected reaction to the American war in Afghanistan. BS plain and simple.
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Love that mindset. Educated dignitaries like Zardari, Nawaz Sharif and Altaf Hussain are obviously better thinkers and leaders :rotato:
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But I am afraid new potential leaders like Imran Khan will again throw Pakistan in the same hole.
Just to bust your bubble, all Imran Khan says is that we need to get rid of extremism without using force. He wants to provide them jobs, educate them and negotiate with them to find a long term solution. I don't fully agree with Imran on this issue as i think action HAD to be taken against terrorists because some of them are just beyond any repair but don't make it sound like Imran provides all out support to talibans. If you take your politically biased hat off, you would understand WHY he has this view.
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Khoji if you think you cant fight and win against Taliban than you are the [edited] person sir the limits which you face Ameircans dont have them still they cant defeat Taliban I recommend you program watch it on NDTV We the People of Burkha Dutt topic is AF PAK
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and Khoji TTP Of PAkistan had nothing to do with the Taliban of Afhanistan Taliban of Afghanistan never interfered in Pakistan internal affairs and this is even confirmed by wikkileaks now and after the capture of Raymond Davis that Taliban of Pakistan are funded by India and CIA
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Also Khoji define extremism I dont need west to tell us who is extremist or who is not A muslim who follow his religion and tries to give his 100% effort to Islam he is considered to be extremist
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Also Khoji define extremism I dont need west to tell us who is extremist or who is not A muslim who follow his religion and tries to give his 100% effort to Islam he is considered to be extremist
So preventing women from attending school is a part of our religion? Acid attacks are a part of our religion? Suicide bombings and target killing of qadianis, shias etc is a part of our religion?
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because the perpetrators are anti-state. however even when sects are targeted and you make it about the american war in afghanistan, and this happens every time some major terrorist organization gets negative press whether or not a government building is targeted (say a woman is whipped in Swat) you are being a little disingenuous.
But LeT/LJ were not involved in 'anti-state' activities earlier, were they?
this is why the specific quotes I have given from both TTP and Imran Khan are in the clear case of violence and extremism against minorities. The TTP person wants to kill minorities everywhere. Imran Khan paints it as an expected reaction to the American war in Afghanistan. BS plain and simple.
I think the TTP person wants to kill ANYONE, irrespective of sect, they are infact 'anti-state' and not just a particular sect even if they say they want to kill 'sects' only as we have already seen attacks on army posts, police posts and other buildings.
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Khoji if you think you cant fight and win against Taliban than you are the most dumb person sir the limits which you face Ameircans dont have them still they cant defeat Taliban I recommend you program watch it on NDTV We the People of Burkha Dutt topic is AF PAK
America can pack up and leave tomorrow, so does Pakistan have that same luxury?
I agree with ravage on generalizing every action that sectarian terrorists commit. I am in favor with imran that military operations alone aren't the solution, but I diverge from his views there since I believe that strong policing by local police or FC in FATA's case is the only alternative. I don't agree with him at all that Pakistan should not have any forces in FATA since FATA is part of Pakistan and if Pakistan can't have forces in FATA, then he deserves every ban he got from entering karachi no matter what his hypocritical whining about it.
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But LeT/LJ were not involved in 'anti-state' activities earlier, were they?
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Yes because the state wasn't taking them head on for targeting shias, ahmedis etc. It is like saying Nazis and communists were natural allies as russia didn't actively fight them until Operation Barbarossa was launched in 1941.
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Yes because the state wasn't taking them head on for targeting shias, ahmedis etc. It is like saying Nazis and communists were natural allies as russia didn't actively fight them until Operation Barbarossa was launched in 1941.
Not a good example, we are talking about 'enemy' here not 'friend/allies'. Otherwise lets extend it further and say 'hey India is friends with Taliban as they are not fighting'.
State is still not taking any action against LJ/LeT/SM by the way.
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LJ/LeT/SM sure has their activities restricted due to WOT by the US, unlike the nineties so there is one reason for backlash against Pakistan. The bigger reason is that TTP and the former have like minded ideologies and before they might have considered Pakistan to be in the right path to their dream state, but right now US = (kaafir, jew, hindu) is propping up the pakistani govt that is hitting their allies TTP and afghanistan as a base was lost which they blame on Pakistan. If you poll these groups, they probably think Pakistan is further away from "Islam" than it ever was since 1947.
To make it blunt, Pakistan has to take on these groups and cure the cancer as tomorrow America will be gone and partying in its nightclubs, but Pakistan will still be the same paranoid hell hole teetering on the brink because people are too naive to admit what is happening right in front of them.
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So preventing women from attending school is a part of our religion? Acid attacks are a part of our religion? Suicide bombings and target killing of qadianis, shias etc is a part of our religion?
Marmalade there are many acts of Islam which are not according to Islam butt many are also according to Islam
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But LeT/LJ were not involved in 'anti-state' activities earlier, were they?
Point being? Pakistan tolerated them till we had to stop overtly tolerating them and so they trained their guns on us. Do you think thats a good thing? Do you think we should have continued to allow LeT/LJ to kill whoever they wanted?
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I think the TTP person wants to kill ANYONE, irrespective of sect, they are infact 'anti-state' and not just a particular sect even if they say they want to kill 'sects' only as we have already seen attacks on army posts, police posts and other buildings.
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Why just ANYONE? They have specifically targetted specific sects, and shias and ahmedies have been targeted at a disproportionately higher rate than the general populace. They attack army posts, police posts, hospitals, schools, sure, and for each they present a specific rationale. However it is disingenuous to pretend that the sectarian angle does not exist.
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ravage Let has not been involved in anti state activity if someone doesnt fit on the standards of America or India of nice guy doesnt make him a terrorist and as far as TTP is concerned even wikkileaks had made it clear that they are funded by Indians
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Oh my bad, just because your a** hasn't been blown up it all makes it ok.
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I am surprised to see this thread closed.
Analyzing one of Imran Khan’s claim: Was there Taliban terrorism before 2003?
Re: The Pakhtun, the Taliban and Imran Khan
Note that while the Taleban spokesperson wants unqualified killing of qadianis/shias, Imran Khan chooses to paint this as a reaction to bombing etc.
That's what Imran Khan's naive supporters don't understand. Imran's racism reaches such heights that he has zero concern for the lives of Pakistani people, especially minorities. He thinks there was no terrorism from Taliban before America attacked them.
The fool doesn't realize that attacking Pakistani minorities (later sunni majority as well) was going on before 2003, and attacking them has nothing to do with America's war againt Taliban khariji takfiris.
This is why I say that supporting Imran is like supporting Jamaat or Maulana Samiul Haq.