Re: The open challenge of Quran to the whole world
isn't it blasphemy to try and describe the indescribable? the religios are such nuts that they trip upon their own every other word
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God is UNCONDITIONAL LOVE. In that one word lies 9999 attributes.
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A mother might give more care to a wayward, misbehaving and rude child but it can't be possible that she also love him more than the obedient, caring and respectful child.
Let me clear one misunderstanding. These attributes are not given by any human being but Allah taught these words to the Prophet (saw), so how does the question of blasphemy rise ?
Teacher: Mr. write an essay on your mom, how would you express her good qualities ?
**Student: **My mom is "GREAT" This word is so deep that you don't even know how many qualities of my mom I have described only in this one word. Now grade me 100 out of 100 in this essay.
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Nonsense. In my experience it is more than possible, it is probable.
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I hate to burst your bubble since you are so convinced this list is some kind of monumental achievement not seen in the history of mankind, but even a slightly wayward son (with enough time and a couple of six packs) could come up with a redundant list of 100 great attributes for his mother.
metromomma summed it up in two words. :k:
Things don’t necessarily need to be measured in quantity.
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Brother, as far as I remember
Rehman: is specially used for all the living organisms whom Allah blesses with all the blessings like, food, air, water......etc. Alot of times it is used for all humanity.
Raheem: is used specifically for male and female believers, and HIS special blessings upon them because of their sincerity, sacrifices and patience on hardships in the way of Allah.
Thanks for the explanation. I also remember a slightly different explanation
Rahman is all the blessings we get in this world
Raheem is the aspet of same quality, reseved for the day of the judgement, were we really in need of that
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So if I come up with 100 unique attributes for something or somebody, you will accept that/him/her as God and start worshipping?
I just.want to be sure there's some impact before I go thru the trbl of all that typing
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^^ 100 unique attributes at there ultimate level. No one else can be better then that BEING on those attributes.
This is not a challenge to you or anyone. This is just the belief system Islam works upon. You can challenge that belief system, if you want to
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Nonsense. In my experience it is more than possible, it is probable.
This would be injustice to the caring, loving and obedient child. Brother, you are saying something against human nature and justice. You might love a rude person as a human, BUT no human loves the one who misbehaves, insult and de-grade him, "MORE" than the person who is respectful, loving and caring.
but even a slightly wayward son (with enough time and a couple of six packs) could come up with a redundant list of 100 great attributes for his mother.
I respect your words, and I would definately agree with your statement "only" if you prove yourself by coming up with a better list then the one I gave :)
p.s. Pst, brother I am sure that you are definately better than a slightly wayward son, why don't you give it a try by picking up the pen and paper:D
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Alllah swt as Wakeel
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This would be injustice to the caring, loving and obedient child. Brother, you are saying something against human nature and justice. You might love a rude person as a human, BUT no human loves the one who misbehaves, insult and de-grade him, "MORE" than the person who is respectful, loving and caring.
You lack real world experience or the ability to to observe it. Mothers tend to give love, care and compassion to the ones who need it most. That is human nature. If it were about justice, then there would be no favortism at all.
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I respect your words, and I would definately agree with your statement "only" if you prove yourself by coming up with a better list then the one I gave
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Well that would be shirk now, wouldn't it. We all know that worshiping any other than God is the worst of all sins. We must save these type of lists only for God. Or his favored prophets.
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You lack real world experience or the ability to to observe it. Mothers tend to give love, care and compassion to the ones who need it most. That is human nature. If it were about justice, then there would be no favortism at all.
Brother, I do understand that it can be possible in the cases where the child is mentally retarded, immature, or unconcious. BUT I was talking about the cases where one person in insulting his mother "intentionally" and "in his senses" while the other is respecting "intentionally" and "in his senses". Though I do understand that favortism is possible and it does has atleast one "reason"
Well that would be shirk now, wouldn't it. We all know that worshiping any other than God is the worst of all sins. We must save these type of lists only for God. Or his favored prophets.
Ok, than it wouldn't be a shirk if anyone comes up with a list of attributes for God "better" than this list.
@Topic. My humble request was that all the people from all the religons who think and agree that there can be a better list than this, should prove themselves by either providing a better list from ANY source or themselves pick up pen and paper.
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Salam bro STP,
Well i am still waiting for the challenge, we have seen none other than usual bickering.
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' Deeds not words' - prove a person.
Unfortunately, the deeds of the terrorists, is wiping away all the other good (talk/words) which Islam may have.
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Arabic is a language of poetry.
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@SlaveofAllah. Walaikum Assalam brother. I am also waiting for the list. It seems every non muslim is afraid of picking up a pen and paper or sharing "ANY" source which might be of any worth to be compared to this beautiful list.
' Deeds not words' - prove a person. Unfortunately, the deeds of the terrorists, is wiping away all the other good (talk/words) which Islam may have.
Dear brother. You don't judge a car due to the performace of it's driver. To judge a car see how the best driver uses all the systems in that car.
^ If you don't want to do it, than show me a "Single" religon of the world (including atheist) which contains "all" people with good deeds and "no" people with bad deeds.:)
Islam means "Peace" so don't count those terrorists as muslims who are killing innocent people by "portraying" themselves as muslims.
Today if I wear the uniform of indian army and kill an american, it wouldn't mean indian army is bad. Infact it would mean that an outsider tried to bring a bad name to Indian army by wearing its uniform. And same goes for everyone.
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' Deeds not words' - prove a person. Unfortunately, the deeds of the terrorists, is wiping away all the other good (talk/words) which Islam may have.
Exactly right for the first time.:)
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My humble request was that all the people from all the religons who think and agree that there can be a better list than this, should prove themselves by either providing a better list from ANY source or themselves pick up pen and paper.
I really don't understand this 'challenge'. First off, the whole 'my God is better than your God' is childish, subjective and a waste of time. Secondly, this list could be adapted and applied to the God of any religion. Third, the list isn't some kind of miracle or masterpiece, it's simplistic and repetitive. And finally, I don't believe the main purpose behind religion is the zealotry that comes with praising God to the point of fanaticism. I don't think God needs it, I dont' think it contributes to our salvation and I don't think it is centerpiece of living a righteous life.
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^^ Bull's eye.
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I don't believe the main purpose behind religion is the zealotry that comes with praising God to the point of fanaticism. I don't think God needs it.
Why do you think that God does not need it.
Or let's put it that way. Why do you think that we are not required to deliver that level of submission/praise/worship/prayers in order to acheive that salvation
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^^ Bull's eye.
Might want to replace the word eye with a four letter word here