Re: The open challenge of Quran to the whole world
Why do you think that God does not need it.
Or let's put it that way. Why do you think that we are not required to deliver that level of submission/praise/worship/prayers in order to acheive that salvation
Why? Look at that list of attributes. Would an entity like need constant praise from us? Does it need anything from little peons like us? Needy, insecure or self important people need praise. I don't see those attributes on the list.
Submission and obedience, sure. Thanks and gratitude, without a doubt. Respect and love, yes. But falling all over ourselves to find as many ways and opportunities to praise an entity that is beyond reproach is superficial.
Re: The open challenge of Quran to the whole world
^^ Those 99 names are the words used by Allah (SWT) to describe himself in the Quran. I think that you are assuming that some Mulla over the period of time invented them
Re: The open challenge of Quran to the whole world
Since I don't believe the Quran are the literal words of God it doesn't change my view. Either way I don't believe the focus of our prayers should be spent praising God. He knows he's great, he doesn't need to hear it from us.
Re: The open challenge of Quran to the whole world
^^ if our basic belief system has such a clash (your comment about Quran not being God's literal words) then there is very little sense for both of us to be involved in an arguement. And since I jumped in to what you were saying (3 or 4 posts ago) , I am going to step back
Re: The open challenge of Quran to the whole world
^^ if our basic belief system has such a clash (your comment about Quran not being God's literal words) then there is very little sense for both of us to be involved in an arguement. And since I jumped in to what you were saying (3 or 4 posts ago) , I am going to step back
hmm... I didn't intend for that to be a secret. I imagine our beliefs also crash in other areas... I don't believe Muhammed was the last messenger or that only Muslims go to heaven. I believe in the seperation of religion and state and that there is no divine permission to fight wars. I don't think God cares which direction we face when we pray or how many times a day we do it. So does all that mean there is no reason for us to address each others' posts ever again?
Re: The open challenge of Quran to the whole world
If you are reading this thread, you might have read alot of comments like
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Anyone can write such list...........
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This is not something special or extraordinary list..............
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and the MOMENT you thought that someone might have decided to implement his idea in the form of a list, to "PRACTICALLY" prove himself RIGHT, by giving a better list than this, guess what ?!?
Re: The open challenge of Quran to the whole world
hmm... I didn't intend for that to be a secret. I imagine our beliefs also crash in other areas... I don't believe Muhammed was the last messenger or that only Muslims go to heaven. I believe in the seperation of religion and state and that there is no divine permission to fight wars. I don't think God cares which direction we face when we pray or how many times a day we do it. So does all that mean there is no reason for us to address each others' posts ever again?
Point (in bold) well taken. But at the same time, if our goal is to convince each other then both partties should at least set some common grounds. It was appearing to me that you and me were getting into the arguement phase of trying to convince each other.
as for other occasions, if we are just sharing our point of views without insulting others belief system and calling names and what not (not that we were doing that) then why not. We should adress each other's post.
BTW, what is your basic (or your parent's) religion. Or you dont believe in following any specific faith system?
Ok, you win. Your intepretation of God loves himself more than mine does.
Re: The open challenge of Quran to the whole world
Point (in bold) well taken. But at the same time, if our goal is to convince each other then both partties should at least set some common grounds. It was appearing to me that you and me were getting into the arguement phase of trying to convince each other.
I think our common ground is a belief in God. I don't intend to argue, only to present my point of view. If that clashes with yours, my intention isn't an argument or disrespect.
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BTW, what is your basic (or your parent's) religion. Or you dont believe in following any specific faith system?
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I grew up in a secular Christian home. While I do not necessarily belong to an organized religion, I am currently studying Religious Science or Science of the Mind.
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This comment was not for me, right?
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Right.
Re: The open challenge of Quran to the whole world
I think our common ground is a belief in God. I don't intend to argue, only to present my point of view. If that clashes with yours, my intention isn't an argument or disrespect.
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And none of your comments reflected intentional disrespect or argument. My believe system asks for lots of "Blind Faith" (I follow that and very content about that) also I am not a scholar or anything. So it becomes hard for me to provide logical points in a conversation of such manner. Hence my withdrawal.
Anyway, let me ask you (for my knowledge sake), you said that you don’t believe that Mohammed is the last messenger. Is that the "last" part you don’t believe in or the "messenger" part.
Re: The open challenge of Quran to the whole world
Anyway, let me ask you (for my knowledge sake), you said that you don’t believe that Mohammed is the last messenger. Is that the "last" part you don’t believe in or the "messenger" part.
I think he was a messenger, inspired by God.