The Only Way.

[arai]

Well, I’m back people. For those of whom remember me, I’m the Atheist guy. Been gone for a while, university exams, tests and all.

Anyhow, I was catching up on some points, reading here and there and noticed that even after all this time, these forums still manager to retain idiots who speak without proof, or who speak without thinking, or without using logical sense; or people who have no real sense of morality, and just speak under the cloak of ‘religion’, to be used and to define them as holy people.

I read some posts regarding the tragic earthquake. To learn some Muslims believe this is an act from Heaven. Pretty ridiculous if you ask me. Seems as though, the ones who make such a claim, never learned about fault lines, plate tectonics, and seisomography. In addition, many Muslims were also killed in the Earthquake, so for you muslims who believe this was an act of God, use your head to think that your own ‘brothers and sisters’ were killed by their own God.

Anyhow, having said that.

I would like to personally give my gratitude for Pakistan for offering help. Yes, that’s an excellent way to promote peace. India should have been more receiving in it’s initial offers. What makes me think really is, Pakistan and India really have a sense of nationhood. If you consider the following hypothetical example. If this many people die in roughly a concentrated area, and Pakistan puts out it’s hand to help. How could Pakistan possibly launch a nuclear missile that would do the same destruction? If you’re not following me, what I’m saying is, in times of despair the same people pakistan could have killed, they are helping now. I’m sure India would have done the same likewise. This sort of example, really should show, that behind India and Pakistan’s attempt to show a “tough guy” image, they’re really countries that feel for each other’s cause. I am glad to see that.

Anyhow, for a quick summary about my views on religion, since these days people are so fascinated about people who don’t believe in God, I’ll do all a favour and example my rough ideas. Yes, I’m too lazy to start another thread, so sue me.

1. Religion is an Opiate of the Masses - Karl Marx, ie; Religion is simply a drug, people can’t get off, and are highly influenced by that causes negative effects on society as a whole.

2. God doesn’t exist, due to the theory of proof by CONTRADICTION. The proof that God exists, and the proof that God doesn’t exist is quite equal, therefore in logical measures, the latter would be correct. ie; if you build a ramp on a highway that can support 100 km/h, you would set the limit lower, to make it safer. Therefore, by logic, reasoning and rationality. It’s fair to say God doesn’t exist (in logical sense).

3. God is a ‘security blanket’ for those who fear death. They simply can’t comprehend the fact that when we die, we just DIE, they want to believe that we suddenly fly off to distant places.

4. Religion is essentially organized crime. Organized crime against society, by brainwashing society, and having them forfeiit their hard-earned money to people who claim to be holy and help the needy.

5. Religion is inproductive, it is an utter waste of time. To sit there praying to a fictious character for hope, is essentially being LAZY. Get off your you know what, and if you want the world to be better, you HAVE TO DO IT YOURSELF. There is no Santa Claus that will jump down out of the sky to help you. MAN HELPS MAN ONLY. - Simple concept, grasp it.

6. Remember the last time God helped you? Was God there for your math exam when you failed it? Better yet; in War. How come both sides in a war believe that God is on their side? Seems as though God is gonna have a hard time figuring out who to help, nevertheless. God is almighty, he can help both sides at the same time? - Ironic paradox.

7. Say, one day. I decide I’m bored of typing long messages on gupshup, and decide to open up Microsoft Word, and start writing a story about how people should live, and what their daily routines and habits are. Then, what if I suddenly have this story hidden somewhere in cyberspace, and 2000 years later, some el33t hacker finds the story, and claims that this story is indeed divine?.. Have I just became the next Jesus Christ, Muhammad, Nanak? Wow, everyone start opening up your MS Word’s and start writing stories, you have a big business behind you.

8. As much as I believe in God, I believe in the Easter Bunny, Santa Clause and the Boogey Man. As these characters have enough proof of their existance as God, so why not believe in them?

9. Religion promotes HATRED. Believe it or not, but why is it that Pakistani’s have such a ‘thing’ for Indians? Because it’s simply a HINDU country? Doesn’t that mean there’s hatred for Hindu’s, and vice versa, hatred of muslims? What if hypothetically, we were to REMOVE the concept of religion. For what basis would India and Pakistan have rivalries? The only I could think of then is, maybe people with beards and people without.

10. Atheism is the only way. Believe in Science, it’s Science that’s helped you. It’s science that has made it POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO EVEN CONVERSE ON WHAT WE CALL THIS FORUM. When you were sick, it wasn’t God who healed you, it was that synthetic medecine called Tylenol, made by a bunch of hard working guys who bust their you know what so you can get rid of common illness’s that would have KILLED people in the past..

Theists/‘Believers’ have to learn that. The Scientific community works hard for idiots who do not respect or credit them for tehir hard work, but instead pray to God thanking this fictitious person for the work of man’s sweat.

SCIENCE & ATHEISM is the WAY. I hope when you all die, if SOMEHOW possible realize where your God is then to carry you off into the rainbow.

Arai

[X_Communist]

Im not even gonna start…

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/rolleyes.gif

actually this is too tempting, isnt it a1shah?

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/smile.gif

arai, i cant rely on TLC to update me about my beliefs from a new episode every sunday.

i gotta have backup…i dont know about you…i mean, its science that hasn’t figured out how to terminate the common cold virus…btw, islam promotes the search for knowledge (science), yet if science was a bit more superior, it woulda taught me and you to search thru islam…

[This message has been edited by X_Communist (edited February 06, 2001).]

[a1shah]

Hi X-Commi;

I can't seem to get the right smilie faces going. Do u know how to get a laughing face going ?

[This message has been edited by a1shah (edited February 06, 2001).]

[a1shah]

Its tempting alright. I wonder why arai comes up with these childish logic.

Now if only I could get my faces going ...

[Pagluu]

Arai beta ji how is your primary school admission exams went? Got the admission yet?

[Mr_Xtreme]

arai,

you should consider this. When you eat food, isn't it a good thing that it comes out at the other end? Just imagine if by chance you had been born without an anus. You would be full of sh..

This is why you should be thankful.

[aishaA]

he seems to be full of it already…

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/dixsi.gif

[mm10]

For Arai,
No life without law or system, even if you go by Carl Marx( to whom I like as much as you) if you wanna live in a civilized manner or in a civilized society.
No law can be bettr if its only co-ercive in its nature and not carries the spirit of your conscious(Zameer) in it.

So when you talk about zameer, you talk about morales and what else religion other than Islam has better morales.

So even if you don’t wanna believe in God, do’nt, but you have to come to a system to adopt your life, its your choice, you can read and research on it. Will be good both for you and society.

Now take care.

“Once someone asked Hazrat Ali(SAW), you killed so many ppl in the war, what if some of them were gonna be converted to Islam later on, the Mighty and righteous warrior replied,my sword fall only on those who I am sure will never leave thier path of KUFR”

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/cool.gif

[hk]

[quote]
Originally posted by arai:
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2. God doesn't exist, due to the theory of proof by CONTRADICTION. The proof that God exists, and the proof that God doesn't exist is quite equal, therefore in logical measures, the latter would be correct. ie; if you build a ramp on a highway that can support 100 km/h, you would set the limit lower, to make it safer. Therefore, by logic, reasoning and rationality. It's fair to say God doesn't exist (in logical sense).

1. God is a 'security blanket' for those who fear death. They simply can't comprehend the fact that when we die, we just DIE, they want to believe that we suddenly fly off to distant places.

2. Religion is essentially organized crime. Organized crime against society, by brainwashing society, and having them forfeiit their hard-earned money to people who claim to be holy and help the needy.

3. Religion is inproductive, it is an utter waste of time. To sit there praying to a fictious character for hope, is essentially being LAZY. Get off your you know what, and if you want the world to be better, you HAVE TO DO IT YOURSELF. There is no Santa Claus that will jump down out of the sky to help you. MAN HELPS MAN ONLY. - Simple concept, grasp it.

4. Remember the last time God helped you? Was God there for your math exam when you failed it? Better yet; in War. How come both sides in a war believe that God is on their side? Seems as though God is gonna have a hard time figuring out who to help, nevertheless. God is almighty, he can help both sides at the same time? - Ironic paradox.

5. Say, one day. I decide I'm bored of typing long messages on gupshup, and decide to open up Microsoft Word, and start writing a story about how people should live, and what their daily routines and habits are. Then, what if I suddenly have this story hidden somewhere in cyberspace, and 2000 years later, some el33t hacker finds the story, and claims that this story is indeed divine?.. Have I just became the next Jesus Christ, Muhammad, Nanak? Wow, everyone start opening up your MS Word's and start writing stories, you have a big business behind you.

6. As much as I believe in God, I believe in the Easter Bunny, Santa Clause and the Boogey Man. As these characters have enough proof of their existance as God, so why not believe in them?

7. Religion promotes HATRED. Believe it or not, but why is it that Pakistani's have such a 'thing' for Indians? Because it's simply a HINDU country? Doesn't that mean there's hatred for Hindu's, and vice versa, hatred of muslims? What if hypothetically, we were to REMOVE the concept of religion. For what basis would India and Pakistan have rivalries? The only I could think of then is, maybe people with beards and people without.

8. Atheism is the only way. Believe in Science, it's Science that's helped you. It's science that has made it POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO EVEN CONVERSE ON WHAT WE CALL THIS FORUM. When you were sick, it wasn't God who healed you, it was that synthetic medecine called Tylenol, made by a bunch of hard working guys who bust their you know what so you can get rid of common illness's that would have KILLED people in the past..

Theists/'Believers' have to learn that. The Scientific community works hard for idiots who do not respect or credit them for tehir hard work, but instead pray to God thanking this fictitious person for the work of man's sweat.

SCIENCE & ATHEISM is the WAY. I hope when you all die, if SOMEHOW possible realize where your God is then to carry you off into the rainbow.

Arai
**
[/quote]

this is pathetic...u sound like a tv evangelist do u know that?
"SCIENCE & ATHEISM is the WAY"...what r u trying to do? convert us?
as a Muslim, i consider all of what u've said above as blashphemous and sinful.....
its one thing to tell people about ur beliefs but its another to call theirs false and irrational...seems like thats what all ur posts are intended to do..find something new to discuss for heaven's sake. We've all wasted time replying to similar posts of urs countless times in the past.
trust me, with that attitude, u wont go too far and ur not doing much for atheism either.

oh, as for santa claus and the easter bunny, Muslims dont believe in those.....Islam doesnt resort to fictional characters.

^^Believe to Understand^*^*

[This message has been edited by hk (edited February 06, 2001).]

[X_Communist]

Originally posted by a1shah:
**Hi X-Commi;

I can’t seem to get the right smilie faces going. Do u know how to get a laughing face going ?

[This message has been edited by a1shah (edited February 06, 2001).]**

click on the smilies legend on the left of ur screen when you ‘reply’.
it will give you teh codes…just dont have spaces between any of the letters.
Also, for most of them you need to enclose teh code in a colon. ie: : hehe :

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/hehe.gif

hope taht helps.

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/smile.gif

<< : ) (wihtout a space)

btw, where is arai…hooked on TLC?

[queer]

why is everyone suddenly so offended?

x-commi,

true, maybe science doesnt have a cure for common cold yet. i doubt that religion has an effective one either.

[quote]
islam promotes the search for knowledge (science), yet if science was a bit more superior, it woulda taught me and you to search thru islam......
[/quote]

whoa :)and why should that be the case?

hk says:

[quote]
its one thing to tell people about ur beliefs but its another to call theirs false and irrational...
[/quote]

hk also said:

[quote]
i consider all of what u've said above as blashphemous and sinful.....
[/quote]

hk,
what is your view on calling other people's beliefs "blasphemous and sinful"?

[Shah_Jahan]

yawn zzzzzzzzzz

Arai you have a very good day

1.going on about the day can you tell me when was the beginning of time?

2.What happend before the big bang?

3.How can anything just happen for no cause?(think long and hard about this)

4.What is time?(how was it created)

When you answer these(which I doubt you can) you can come to me and I will ask more!!

[Musalman]

[quote]
Originally posted by arai:
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1. Religion is an Opiate of the Masses - Karl Marx, ie; Religion is simply a drug, people can't get off, and are highly influenced by that causes negative effects on society as a whole.
**
[/quote]

Since this is an Islamic forum, so we are only concerned with Islamic point of view. Islam is not a religion, Islam is a DEEN which is quite different from a religion. The very meaning of DEEN is life transaction. It encompasses all transactions that one needs to conduct to lead a peaceful and objective life, by following the DEEN al-Islam one serves the purpose of creation. Since Islam is a DEEN, it is very logical about physical life on this planet be it Economic, Political, Social or any other aspect of society as a whole. Therefore while no other religion on this planet teaches how to conduct the life transactions while living on this planet Islam does, therefore all other religions besides Islam are false because they are only religions and do not teach the practical aspect of conducting one’s life on Earth.

[quote]
Originally posted by arai:
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2.God doesn't exist, due to the theory of proof by CONTRADICTION. The proof that God exists, and the proof that God doesn't exist is quite equal, therefore in logical measures, the latter would be correct. ie; if you build a ramp on a highway that can support 100 km/h, you would set the limit lower, to make it safer. Therefore, by logic, reasoning and rationality. It's fair to say God doesn't exist (in logical sense).
**
[/quote]

The above Logic does not make any sense. If you should build a ramp on a highway that supports 100 km/h then logically you should design it to sustain speeds of more then 100 km/h. By following this logic you could safely drive vehicles at designed speeds. What is the logic of designing a ramp, which can support 100 km/h but is really not safe for 100 km/h. Therefore Allah (SWT) existence cannot be proven by theory of CONTRADICTION! The said theory contradicts it self. Obviously this atheist does not know that logical arguments can be contradicted by reverse arguments.

[quote]
Originally posted by arai:
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3. God is a 'security blanket' for those who fear death. They simply can't comprehend the fact that when we die, we just DIE, they want to believe that we suddenly fly off to distant places.
**
[/quote]

That is simply not the case with Muslims. As Muslims never fear death, the concept Sa’heed is based on embracing death for the cause of Allah (SWT). How do you know that when we die we simply die? Do you have any sensory means of measurements that can confirm to your hypothesis? May be there is a parallel world where spin is on a different vibratory frequency, that is why it is invisible to you! And Death is just a gate to such a parallel world. You know there are microwaves you have seen their actions but have you actually seen them? Your assertions have no scientific and logical proofs.

[quote]
Originally posted by arai:
**
4. Religion is essentially organized crime. Organized crime against society, by brainwashing society, and having them forfeiit their hard-earned money to people who claim to be holy and help the needy.

1. Religion is inproductive, it is an utter waste of time. To sit there praying to a fictious character for hope, is essentially being LAZY. Get off your you know what, and if you want the world to be better, you HAVE TO DO IT YOURSELF. There is no Santa Claus that will jump down out of the sky to help you. MAN HELPS MAN ONLY. - Simple concept, grasp it. ** [/quote]

The answer to this is same as answer to number 1.

[quote]
Originally posted by arai:
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6. Remember the last time God helped you? Was God there for your math exam when you failed it? Better yet; in War. How come both sides in a war believe that God is on their side? Seems as though God is gonna have a hard time figuring out who to help, nevertheless. God is almighty, he can help both sides at the same time? - Ironic paradox.
**
[/quote]

Muslims have solid proof of Allah (SWT) help, read the history of Islam where Allah (SWT) promised believers and Prophet (PBUH) foretold of it. The help of Allah (SWT) arrived and the promised was fulfilled. Several cases but since you have mentioned war. So I will give you only two examples of past first being the victory of the Battle of Badr and second being the conquest of Constantinople. How do you explain such clear evidences through any logical means? Can you give us the logic that would make us think other wise that Allah (SWT) does not help? As for Allah (SWT) is almighty, no doubt but help is only for those who understand HU’s system and act on Hu’ guidance to work in HU’s system. This guidance is actually what is called help. Hence no paradox! Imagine a component A along with components B, C, D has to work as a system working of which is defined. You will adjust all components according to their manufacturer’s guidance. If for some reason you deviate from the stabilized setting of component A the system will not work properly but yet you cannot blame component A for not working properly. The fault does not lay in component A’s guidance the fault lay in the deviation from the recommended guidance.

[quote]
Originally posted by arai:
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7. Say, one day. I decide I'm bored of typing long messages on gupshup, and decide to open up Microsoft Word, and start writing a story about how people should live, and what their daily routines and habits are. Then, what if I suddenly have this story hidden somewhere in cyberspace, and 2000 years later, some el33t hacker finds the story, and claims that this story is indeed divine?.. Have I just became the next Jesus Christ, Muhammad, Nanak? Wow, everyone start opening up your MS Word's and start writing stories, you have a big business behind you.
**
[/quote]

There is no argument here the message of Islam was not lost and found, it was rather reveled to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). There are no gaps in the history of Islam. In any case the Divinity of the message can be confirmed by the fact that not a single soul has ever been able to prove a single contradiction or some thing from Quran which contradicts the nature or modern science. This is a challenge to all those who deny the Divine nature of Quran to bring a single proof to back their assertions up. Good luck! Do not come back with empty rhetoric. Solid proofs only!

[quote]
Originally posted by arai:
**
8. As much as I believe in God, I believe in the Easter Bunny, Santa Clause and the Boogey Man. As these characters have enough proof of their existance as God, so why not believe in them?
**
[/quote]

The fact is that this atheist has his faith in logic all misplaced. One can prove or disprove anything by using appropriate definitions and selecting premises. Proof ultimately means having an experience of something and this depends on the existence of the capacity for such experience. It also depends on the motives of the person whether he wishes to know or wants to believe something else because it is more convenient. It is not possible to prove the theory of relativity to a moron or a child or even someone very intelligent who does not understand mathematics. Nor to one who refuses to look or is otherwise engaged. Even if it is proved mathematically and he accepts it intellectually but has no effect on the behavior of the person it is useless. My advice to this atheist is to revert back to Islam and experience the existance of Allah (SWT).

[quote]
Originally posted by arai:
**
9. Religion promotes HATRED. Believe it or not, but why is it that Pakistani's have such a 'thing' for Indians? Because it's simply a HINDU country? Doesn't that mean there's hatred for Hindu's, and vice versa, hatred of muslims? What if hypothetically, we were to REMOVE the concept of religion. For what basis would India and Pakistan have rivalries? The only I could think of then is, maybe people with beards and people without.
**
[/quote]

The problem is not Pakistan or India. The problem lay in the deviation from the human nature. Islam teaches how to act in accordance with human nature. If both Pakistanis and Indians follow the true human nature as thought by Islam then there will be no problem or any rivalries! As far as the beard is concerned it is by nature that beards grow! Why do we oppose the natural course and shave beards? Any so called logical reasons?

[quote]
Originally posted by arai:
**
10. Atheism is the only way. Believe in Science, it's Science that's helped you. It's science that has made it POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO EVEN CONVERSE ON WHAT WE CALL THIS FORUM. When you were sick, it wasn't God who healed you, it was that synthetic medecine called Tylenol, made by a bunch of hard working guys who bust their you know what so you can get rid of common illness's that would have KILLED people in the past..
**
[/quote]

Even Tylenol is made of natural material therefore cannot be said synthetic. When did science learn how to develop matter? Atheism has so far failed to convince any one. Therefore logically if something fail to convince you then it becomes a totally baseless concept. Why should then atheism be the only way?

Islam has the solution to every thing one can imagine, therefore Islam is the only way to go!

[This message has been edited by Musalman (edited February 07, 2001).]

[mehndi]

even logic can be shown to be illogical by using logic itself!

philosophy is base-less. there are no principles by which it follows, no rules, regulations, or whatever. even in science they follow the "scientific method"... a process thru which u "prove" something to be correct. and what if u can't prove it? did einstein prove his "theory" of relativity? can u measure the amount the galaxy bends or expands to support his claims? do u still throw out his theory? no. why? u can't prove it. so why should u believe it, right? what makes u think the atom is made up of super sub particles called quarks and stuff? what if its something else?

througout time, there have been countless "miracles" that have existed. the miracle of water. how does it come from the sky? could pple say 2000 years ago what the whole water cycle was composed of? why isnt it a miracle now? cuz science just "proved" it? what about in the christian faith the star that appeared before Jesus' birth? that is considered a miracle to this day, yet science is trying to prove that as well.

and it will be successful in it.

why? b/c every miracle that has happened on earth and in the galaxies always... ALWAYS has scientific proof, b/c it is from Allah. there is always reason left behind for mankind to learn from.. its just a matter of WHEN mankind will find that reason.

-mehndi

[kumarakn]

Neither Atheism, nor Islam is the only way. IMO, they are just one of the many million ways/paths to which we can attach our lives and values and strive to become a better person.

The Truth is one, Paths are many!

Atheism is interesting. But the attachment to god is an intrinsic human need. It is something that will never go away altogether.
For example, if you sail across oceans, and find a new island with some inhabitants, who have never seen other humans before, they sure will have some form of god and other rituals towards it. The need of God is thus intrinsic and is not a not merely superficial.

If there be a day, when my beloved science explains why every damn thing exists or works, I will still consider it as an act of god, for I believe, that it is god who has given us our sense of reasoning and science.

Another thought:

Arai, there have been many successful raids of atheism in many societies in different continents. And there are many even now. But, all the previous ones have consistently failed in the end.

For example, the DK movement of Periyar in Tamil Nadu was a raging hit. They took the power and were unchallenged, but where are they now? The same DK is split into many factions and among the biggest of them are ADMK and DMK. DMK's stalin and ADMK's JJ have actively participated in many many religious events, glorifying religion.

Atheism will never impress every living human on earth at the same time and for that matter, never will any religion.

PS: It is a pity that many of us have resorted to attack Arai than his/her argument.

[This message has been edited by kumarakn (edited February 09, 2001).]

[Musalman]

[quote]
Originally posted by kumarakn:
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PS: It is a pity that many of us have resorted to attack Arai than his/her argument. **
[/quote]

Arai’s arguments were refuted above in one of the post categorically. It is Arai who has chosen to run away instead of defending his atheistic hypothesis. Good luck to Arai and hope to see him reply to the refutation of his atheistic arguments!

[mavra]

coffee pi kar answer don gi..

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her voice was ever soft,
gentle and low,an excellent thing in women

[arai]

Due to popular demand. I have decided to reply to some of your posts.

First of all, please don’t forget. I am talking about Atheism in an obvious Islamic forum. I really don’t expect any of you to convert, I really don’t believe muslims are really capable of rational thinking. Therefore, I will tell you now that I am not trying to convert you, you’re minds have already been washed of course.

HK, dear friend. You accuse me of attacking views, at the same time while you attack mine. Interesting isn’t it?

As for, the person inquiring about my academic profession. I have just recently received admission to do my Masters in Electrical Engineering at the University of Toronto. A few years far from pre-school.

Big Bang Theory? Okay, whoever mentioned that. Let me clarify, the Big Bang is still a THEORY, such as GOD is also a THEORY. What makes Big Bang special is, the fact it’s a rational theory with much more evidence supporting it, ie; the flux in between the red-dwarfs, and universe expansion, there is MUCH proof of the Big Bang, whereas the Theory of God, tehre’s no proof except Hearsay. Let me repeat, this odesn’t mean the Big Bang Theory is the the correct one, this just means that the Theory of God is for hilarious in comparision to a logical theory such as the Big Bang.

If you want, I can go into Quantum Mechanics and the Principle of Uncertainty with you. HOwever, I feel as though I would watse my time explaining a theory to a theist who believes God created this world, with such a general understanding of the universe, I can hardly believe you could even visualize what the universe is really made up of. Yes your God(s) creation is just as simple as the elements of the periodic table. You’d think with such a powerful God, that he would make it a little more tricker for us to understand his whole ‘plan’. The way the Human Genome project is going pretty soon we can all become our own little Allah’s.

For the person who was using Q’uranic references to prove to Allah to me, that’s like asking define the word “Dog” using the word Dog itself in the definition. Why not go into external material, you’re trying to prove or at least show me I’m wrong an ATHEIST with references from a book I don’t believe in.

Anyhow, I’m a bit tired. I know continuing such a conversation just creates a loop. I am obviously won’t have anyone who would agree with me, because I’m obvioulsy in a FORUM of Muslims. But, if you want the truth, join an Atheist forum one day and I hope they would all guide you to the truth. One person such as myself, can’t speak for for the rest of the Atheistic community in the world. Heck that just wouldn’t be fair.
www.atheists.org is a good place to start. Although, I don’t follow the american atheistic ‘capitalistic’ view. However, they’re a great bunch of people.

I would just like to finish off that, I don’t intend to convert anyone. Heck, Atheism isn’t about converting, it isn’t about anything of religious magnitude. It’s just about rationale.

Apologies to those who were ‘deeply’ offended by my views.

Arai

Religion is a Disease, Science is the Cure.

[Musalman]

Before you try to go into quantum mechanics, why don’t you answer to my post above which categorically refuted all your questions? It does not matter where the aid comes from to prove the existence of Allah (SWT). Your challenge is to unambiguously prove that there is no God. Let’s see if you could even do this task let alone getting people interested in atheist beliefs. Your last reply is nothing but hollow rhetoric of your imagination, which is by no way either convincing or impressive. Your logic above is already refuted. Next time when you write you should come up with solid prove of non-existence of God rather then the lame logical arguments you offered above. You are welcome to use modern physics to back your atheist beliefs. Good luck!

[system]

Arai... dude how many times do you have to be told... faith isn't about proof.. if it was about proof then it would be called Science and not Faith !.

And like I said to you in a post some time ago, if you're looking for some kind of scientific formula to prove the existence of God, you'll never find it because there isn't one !.

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~~ I have a dream.... But I can't tell you about it ! ~~