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Musalaman. I read some of your 'refuted' posts. You may think they had 'refuted' whatever I said. However, I say you refuted yourself. I didn't bother reading all of them, since it's just typical Theist bullcrap (answering a question with a question).

I don't want anyone to be interested in Atheism. I am glad that the Atheist community isn't composed of people like you as a matter of fact. Having people like yourself, just would really tarnish the quality of Atheism to becoming Agnostic.

Atheism isn't a religion, it's not even an organized movement. Atheism is just a way of thought, and is highly dwelled in thought to use rationale is the primary source of thought, without looking at spiritual forms and deities.

I really feel sorry for theists, especially Muslims who tend to be the most fanatic of all religions, because they waste the most time out of all religions to worship their god(s). Some of which, will dress a certain way, eat at certain times, pray about 5 times a day, and CAUSE WAR in the world and trouble among other religions doesn't seem like a very good use of religion. Religion in the world tends to be more of a problem-causer than a problem-solver.

In addition, since I would like this to be as controversial as possible. I ask you muslims a question.

Prove to me Muhammad was illiterate and that he or his 'party' wasn't capable of writing the Q'uran?

When answering this question, I beg you to not to use the Q'uran as the basis of the proof that youre trying to prove, because the Q'uran itself is what you're trying to prove! In addition, I would also like to remind you, that you were not present during Muhammad's time and neither was anyone, any doctor, any philosopher or scholar in this century. So avoid using proof of scholarly document by Islamic characters. Provide your OWN rationale and your OWN reason.

I know this is sort of unfair, I guess for a theist this may seem virtually impossible. Well good luck.

Arai

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Arai;
After practicing my religion all the life I continually try to analyze my actions(on scientific and logical basis) based on my childhood beliefs(as shoved into the mind)I began to feel that religion is a creation of the most fascinating creation of nature i.e. brain. Although I continue to follow a religion, the thought of all this being just a theory has become more strong.
I think Religion will continue to play the strongest part in the human history and interactions. Religion may not be a fact but it is a necessity for the psychological aspects of life and mind.
I think,....

Belief is not what mind possesses, it is what possesses the mind!

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arai,

my dear friend, you don't need to get into quantum physics, theory of relativity, or principals of uncertainty.

Go back to my simple yet thought-provoking question: what if you had been born without an anus? After all, with your random theory of uncertainty, you might well have been born with a permanently attached cork up your anus instead of a convenient release system.

What do you think of this? As an open minded person, I would like to hear your thoughts.

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[quote]
Originally posted by Mr Xtreme:
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Go back to my simple yet thought-provoking question: what if you had been born without an anus? After all, with your random theory of uncertainty, you might well have been born with a permanently attached cork up your anus instead of a convenient release system.

What do you think of this? As an open minded person, I would like to hear your thoughts.**
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If humans don't have Anus, then humans would still have evolved as humans, but with a different digestive system. We would have simply taken another route in evolution.

As simple as that!

[quote]
Originally posted by arai:
*Religion in the world tends to be more of a problem-causer than a problem-solver.
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So true! But the problems with religion come only when somebody tries to impose one's religion on to other or even tries to convince and convert. That is essence is the problem-causer.

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if it was about proof then it would be called Science and not Faith
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So, faith is blind? Isn't it?

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kumarakn:

If humans don't have Anus, then humans would still have evolved as humans, but with a different digestive system. We would have simply taken another route in evolution.
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You didn't answer my question fully yaar. Why not evolve a permanently attached cork instead of an anus taking random factor into account?

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[quote]
Originally posted by Mr Xtreme:
You didn't answer my question fully yaar. Why not evolve a permanently attached cork instead of an anus taking random factor into account?
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Your anal sphincter muscle is more or less a permanently attached cork. And there are indeed cases of babies being born with no anus.

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Queer yaar, my anal sphincter muscle seems to have got you all Xcited. Sadly for you, it has strictly one purpose - Maybe yours has been stretched as far as your imagination...who knows?

And there are indeed cases of babies being born with no anus.

And that proves what exactly? the exception to the rule? Come on man, you can do better than this.

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Proof positive that God was a civil engineer - only a civE runs a sewer system through an amusement park.

Xtreme, Queer - you guys are hilarious.

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A tiny disclaimer; when i wrote "your anal sphincter", "your" was a generalization to all the anuses in the human world, and was in no way meant to hint at a personal acquaintance with Xtreme's sphincter.

And that proves what exactly? the exception to the rule?<

what rule are you referring to?

and does religion say why god makes babies without openings at their bottoms? or mouths?

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Amazing. I am ‘impressed’ with the standard of discussion already!

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Keep it up folks… whats this site… ah! pak.org… right?

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Sorry…carry on…

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Well, we can certainly see that Mr.Xtreme is a fine example of a Muslim, he likes to prove his religion with examples relating to anus’s, sphincters, queers, and corks.

Fine religion you have, and fine proof. Heck you got me convinced now. Time for me to
become a Muslim!

Arai

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Unlike you Arai, I don’t see Mr.xtreme (a Muslim) making degrading sexual remarks on this forum towards females. Remember when you got trashed for it?

Nice beliefs you got there buddy, with lack of everything that is.

I already know why people should ignore your BS. You are a very good example of what you preach.

Got honor? Pride? Respect? Morals? Ethics? Milk? ha.

If you couldn’t be what you were born with, what’s your assurance for sticking with what you believe in now?

That’s right, NOTHING!

We are the Taleban-Resistance is Futile
Sin: Osama Bin Junior

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There is a saying where I come from which translates something like this: the type of slap you deliver depends on the face in front of you.

See what I mean?

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Respect toward Females. I am gonna assume you’re referring to my excellent use of literary forms of the English vocabularly. I guess if you consider the word Orgasmic as disrespectful, you should really start speaking another language. There are forms of words called Hononyms and Synonyms, one of which existentifically provides alternate meanings for the same word, or alternate words for another word. You should try a Thesaurus one day, yes NOT a dictionary a Thesaurus, and look up some words.

Trashed? I hardly consider it TRASHING, it was quite humorous in fact. I love to see the way Muslims jump onto one little thing, and exploiting it to their full 'advantage’as they usually do because they seem not to find better things to do.

As for Mr. Xtreme’s arguement. Like, I’ve mentioned many times before. It doesn’t concern to me, one bit whether you become an Atheist or not. However, you could do a bit more for your religion, instead of trying to prove it without referring to Anus’s, and Sphincters I’m sure.

A slap? WOW, Let me guess. You’re what.. 12 or 13? I’ve got you so tempered on the INTERNET and on a Message FORUM, that you want to slap me, because I happen to intrigue your point of view? Are you afraid that you might start agreeing with what I say? Hey, don’t let me make you feel insecure, just don’t browse the forum!!

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Anyhow, in my previous post. I recall asking a question in regard to Muhammad and his Man made Q’uran. I didn’t receive any replies concerning that, so I am gonna conclude that you’re unable to prove anything in regard to that, especially something such as that is almost the essence of Islam. Which leaves me the question, how much do you really know your own religion? Only thing you’ve proved to me is what an idiot you are.

Arai

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[quote]
Originally posted by arai:
Respect toward Females. I am gonna assume you're referring to my excellent use of literary forms of the English vocabularly. I guess if you consider the word Orgasmic as disrespectful, you should really start speaking another language. There are forms of words called Hononyms and Synonyms, one of which existentifically provides alternate meanings for the same word, or alternate words for another word. You should try a Thesaurus one day, yes NOT a dictionary a Thesaurus, and look up some words.

Hmmmmmmmm nice way to cover up your dirt.

Here is a little civilized English from me-------->

Trashed? I hardly consider it TRASHING, it was quite humorous in fact. I love to see the way Muslims jump onto one little thing, and exploiting it to their full 'advantage'as they usually do because they seem not to find better things to do.

What can be better then kicking/trashing your ass?
BTW……you got trashed sure, that’s why you ran away like a coward instead of facing the music.
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We are the Taleban-Resistance is Futile
Sin: Osama Bin Junior

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