The Official ELECTIONS 2008 Thread

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I believe that in 2008 election, PML(Q) and their allies would get better results than what they got in 2002 election (that includes PPP (sherpao) and independent candidates that joined PML(Q)). The reason is that the boom in economy and unprecedented work done in the country, specially in rural areas, would give PML(Q) a huge advantage over their opponents.

Water is very important for rural areas. What I know, there were almost no water projects that got started or completed during 1988-1999, but in last 8 years around 1000 water projects were started and many of them got completed. Lists of some projects started and completed during last 8 years can be found here:

[Vision 2025 initiated by President Musharraf just after he came to power and consists of 3 phases. Phase I (2001-2006), Phase II (2006-2011) and Phase III (2011=2025)].

http://www.wapda.gov.pk/vision2025/default.asp

In 1999 there was only 5 percent areas in Balochistan where people could go to police or court for justice as they were officially dependent on their chiefs who were mostly cruel to them, but toady Balochs in 100 percent of Balochistan could go to police or court for justice.

During last 8 years, rural areas have seen huge influx of wealth, facilities, and many areas have received schools, amenities (electricity, gas, roads), and jobs etc. Rural areas that were deprived until Musharraf came to power, today owing mobile phone and motorcycle is common in rural areas.

Same prosperity and development is hallmark of Musharraf government in urban areas too, where almost everyone have mobile phones, TV, VCRs, Personal Computers, refrigerators, deep freezers, and many even have air conditioners, plus it seems all have their own transport.. Long queue to pay electricity and gas bills are now over as other facilities were introduced. Commercial areas and roundabouts that use to look fish market because of all those thelas on the roads have disappeared and with many flyovers, deriving became faster, though huge increase of cars and motorcycle, a sign of prosperity, has somewhat congested the roads. Even though I have been visiting the country quite regularly, comparing with state of government offices in 1999 and today, it seems that even government workers have became more efficient in doing their work and serving people. Hence, here are my estimates for next election:

Today Party position in NA members is:

PML(Q): 132
PPP (Sherpao): 19
MQM: 18

MMA: 57
PPP: 55
PML(N): 16

Others: 45 (32 pro-Musharraf)

I expect the numbers in coming NA election would be (I could be wrong, but that is my estimate at present, though that may change as election nears):

PML(Q): 175 - 180
PPP (Sherpao): 19 - 22
MQM: 22 - 25

MMA: 20 -25
PPP: 40 - 45
PML(N): 7 - 10

Others: 40 - 50 (35 - 40 pro-Musharraf)

To get elected, Prime Minister (if eligible) would need: 172 votes (more than 50 percent votes from total strength of 342 MNAs)

To get constitution changed, 228 NA votes are required. That means for BB or NS to become Prime Minister, they would need to change the constitution, and that would require 228 out of 342 votes before they can even bid to become Prime Minister.

I believe that result would be such that pro-Musharraf parties would get enough seats to change constitution without help from opposition.

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Any thoughts on Shahbaz Sharif becoming CM of Punjab and Pervaiz Elahi PM?

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Amen

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There is good chance if Shahbaz Sharif joins PML(Q) and contest election on their party ticket.

On the other hand, I think that if PML(Q) would win the election, there is no guarantee who would become Prime Minister or that if a person would become Prime Minister, that person would stay as Prime Minister through out while PML(Q) stay in majority. It seems that the politics PML(Q) is adopting is that, Prime Minister post is just a post and not absolute post. I think the way things are going on, it is possible that anyone, including Sh Rashid, Mushahid Hussain or an unknown entity may become Prime Minister. Let hope and see.

The concept that President Musharraf tried to give during his last 8 years in power is that people should stop worshipping personalities and start supporting parties and their work. Work of party should not be seen as work of the leader but should be seen as work of the party. If president has succeeded, than that can be considered as one of his biggest contribution in Pakistan politics.

I think that it is time that Pakistanis should learn to vote parties than individuals and reject parties that revolve around their leaders, be that NS, BB or Imran, and party election campaign is actually election campaign of the leader, so that if party wins, that leader would become prime minister.

Just imagine that PPP was offered government in 2002 but it was Amin Fahim who was leading the party in 2002 and not BB who did not contested the election, but party declined the government because for them, party is not important, it is their leader and if leader does not become Prime Minister, party would not like to even be part of that government.

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Good explanation.

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Neither BB or Nawaz will become PM, that is pretty certain.

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well bb and ns have no chance.

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They should not become because of "chance", they should not become PM because of Law.

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BB's core support is now limited to interior Sindh.
Nawaz's core support is limited to Lahore.
Every other party has their core votes in other regions.
No party will get even close to a majority, and we are likely to see multi-party coalitions, and their composition will surprise many.
For instance either the PPP or PML Nawaz will be part of a coalition that will essentially be pro-Musharraf.

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sticky please

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Sticky!

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my analysis for lahore

LAHORE
pmlq will win gulberg area due to massive development in the area in last few years, they have renovated many roads and renovated the liberty market, this area is theres.

cantt/dha will also go to pmlq due to many developments, this area has totaly changed in last 5 years with new roads and commercial areas.

model town will probably go to pmln as its hometown of ns

township will be a tought battle between pmln and pmlq, it is right behind ns house and has his factorys there, but pmlq has done major works on the industrial area, therefore they will win this area.

thokar and along raiwind road - this area was non-existant 8 years ago and has been rapidly developed, therefore pmlq win

allama iqbal town this will also be a tought battle between q and n, pmln may have an edge here.

johar town/wapda town and surronding areas again this area was almost empty 10 years ago, new facilities have been setup there fore pmlq win this.

old areas/mugalpura/shahdara- this will again be a tought battle between the 2 and any can win here.

overall, pmlq will win the majority.

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That's a fair assessment. Considering that BB got practically ZERO amount of people that turned out to greet her when went to Lahore, this great city will be stay PML Q with Nawaz group in second place. I bet JI will be 3rd place, with PPP a distant 4th.

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well yes ppp support in punjab is at all time low, and same goes for pmln, even though they may have more support them ppp in punjab they have lost their support to pmlq.

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So which consistency you will be following (other than your own)? for whatever reason?

Here are some exciting ones

  • Larkana: To see how many votes can Ghanwa pull
  • Rawalpindi: Wana see if JI/PML(N) lota can beat PML(Q) lota

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i don't understand nawaz sharif first he said he is against musharraf and boycott from election but he's not as typical politician and now imran khan is being the best by boycotting and qazi hussain ahamad but he's not famous

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As much as I fear these elections are not gonna be free and fair, I feel that totally free and fair elections will result in a hung parliment which can only be good news from Musharraf's perspective. That will give him two benefits:

a) His candidature and future as president will be more secure.

b) If hung parliment cannot make any major decisions or positive contribution, Musharraf will dissolve it easily and call for new elections ;)

This should be the biggest election in pak history because three major parties (PPPP, PMLQ, PMLN) will be locking horns with each other. It would have been wonderful had Imran and Qazi were there too but khair.

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PML Q lota league isnt really a major party, only army support makes it major.

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^ yaar whatever you or me or anyone says, they do have some heavyweight political figures (no matter how lota they are, this is pakistani public we are talking about dude :) ) Plus there are some sane voices inside that party, the likes of Mushahid Hussain etc

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Mushahid Hussain sane? he referred to himself as Mandela, and we all know what a HUGE lota he is. When the price is right, he will do anything.