The Nose Piercing

[Reha]

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I don’t know Butt Sahab…I was hoping the holier ones could enlighten us

[Shak]

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An FYI: it looks nice.

[Reha]

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@Khalil KhaaN FaaKhta

it’s NOT a bid’a [innovation] because no one gets nose pierced as a religious code and no one expects a reward for doing it and no punishment from Allah for NOT doing it.

Since Islam allows the adornment of women so if nose piercing add to it then so be it…of course, excessive mutilation/changes of body [without medical reasons] is Haraam in Islam.

Hmmm.

So by your definition…something that a Muslim does which is not against Islam but isn’t a part of either is not bid’ah?

[CoughCough]

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@Deeba1234

It doesn’t have any religious significance and isn’t common amongst Muslims from other cultures.. It doesn’t seem to be discouraged in Islam so probably more a question of personal preference..

'In India the outside of the left is the preferred position of the piercing as this is supposed to make childbirth easier. This is because Ayurvedic medicine associates this location with the female reproductive organs.[SUP][1]](Nose piercing - Wikipedia)[/SUP] In India piercings were regarded as a mark of beauty and social standing as well as a Hindu’s honor to Parvati, the goddess of marriage. Nose piercing is still popular in India. They are often part of Indian wedding jewellery. In Maharastra women wear very large nose pieces that often cover the mouth or the side of the face.

It is common for Pashtun and Pahari women to have both nostrils pierced. Many South Indian Tamil also follow this old tradition. The tradition follows that the woman has her nose rings to pay for her funeral if she has all the gold taken from her. Nose rings or gold studs cannot be easily removed from the woman. Many women from the Asian subcontinent are cremated with just their nose studs as jewellery is removed before the funeral. Indian widows usually remove their nose studs as a sign of respect.’

Source: Nose piercing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dat referencing.

[Blacklisted_Prince]

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Its a cultural thing n mostly women from South-Asia do this
women look pretty n they do it as a part of sajna sanwarna etc

Iska Islam se koi talluq ni, n its or anything related to her sajna sanwarna etc is nt forbidden in Islam unless it is for her Mehrams only
Na hi it is counted as bida’a cuz bida’a is wht we do sawab k liye like ibadats etc

[KKF]

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@Reha

Hmmm.

So by your definition…something that a Muslim does which is not against Islam but isn’t a part of either is not bid’ah?

exactly!

[Khan4Life]

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That’s right, it looks good on women if it’s a small one.

[Muzna]

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Some interesting history…

Nose Piercing History
The nose is the face’s most prominent feature; as Leonardo Da Vinci said, it sets the character for the whole face. It’s no surprise then that a nose piercing can positively accentuate one’s face, making nostril piercings in particular a very attractive type of piercing on many people.

The history of nose piercing dates back to ancient times; it was first recorded in the Middle East aproximately 4,000 years ago. It’s also mentioned in The Bible in Genesis 24:22, where it’s recorded that Abraham asked his oldest servant to find a wife for his son, Isaac. The servant found Rebekah, and one of the gifts he gave her was a “golden earring”. The original Hebrew word used was Shanf, which translates to “nose ring”.

The practice of nose piercing is still followed among the nomadic Berber and Beja tribes of Africa and the Bedouins of the Middle East. The size of the ring gifted denotes a family’s wealth. It’s given by a husband to his wife when they marry, and it represents financial security for her in the event that she and her husband are divorced.

In the 16th century, nose piercing was bought to India from the Middle East by the Moghul emperors. In India, a stud (called a “Phul”) or a ring (i.e. “Nath”) is usually worn in the left nostril, although both nostrils are pierced in some areas. The reason the left nostril is more commonly pierced is due to that spot being associated with female reproductive organs in Ayuvedra (i.e. Indian medicine); the piercing is supposed to make childbirth easier and lessen period pain. An Indian woman’s nose piercing is sometimes joined to her ear by a chain.

In the west, nose piercing first appeared among the hippies who had traveled to India in the Late 1960s. In the 1970s, the practice of nose piercing was adopted by the Punk movement as a symbol of rebellion against conservative values. Conservative people–particularly parents and employers–still don’t react well to it, so consider any reactions that could negatively affect you or your career carefully before having your nose pierced.

Nowadays, nose piercing is gradually becoming more socially acceptable. Many celebrities have their noses pierced–for instance, Madonna, Lenny Kravitz, Sinead O’Connor, and Slash from Guns & Roses. More and more, you’ll see everyday people sporting little gem-topped nostril studs and fine hoops, too, including professionals in a variety of settings ranging from retail outlets to doctor’s offices.

Ear Piercing History
It’s commonly thought that in the history of body piercings, earlobe piercings were probably one of the first man attempted due to the ease with which earlobes can be pierced. What evidence is there to support that theory? In 1991, the oldest mummified body in the world was found frozen in an Austrian Glacier; tests showed the body to be over 5,000 years old. The body had pierced ears, and the holes had been enlarged to 7-11mm diameter.

Ears were probably first pierced for magical purposes. Many primitive tribes believe that demons can enter the body through the ear; ear piercing could prevent that from happening, because demons and spirits are supposed to be repelled by metal. Sailors used to have an ear pierced due to the superstitious belief that doing so would improve their eyesight, keeping them safer at sea. Additionally, if a sailor’s body washed up on shore somewhere, a single earring could pay for a Christian burial. To this day, ear piercing is done as a puberty ritual in many societies. In Borneo, a mother and father each pierce one of their child’s ears to symbolize the child’s dependence on his or her parents. Even in the US, it isn’t uncommon for parents to pierce their little girls’ earlobes.

Ear piercing isn’t just for girls; it’s an almost universal practice for men and women alike. It’s only in western society that it has been deemed effeminate, although that prejudice has diminished in recent years, and rightly so. At various times in history, great men wore elaborate earrings. For instance, during the Elizabethan era, many famous men such as Shakespeare, Sir Walter Raleigh and Francis Drake wore gold rings in their ears. The practice for men of status to wear earrings goes back even further than that. "As the Roman Republic grew more effeminate with wealth and luxury, earrings were more popular among men than women; no less a he-man than Julius Caesar brought back to repute and fashion the use of rings in the ears of men."1

Taken from: History of Body Piercings | Painfulpleasures Inc where you will find some other very interesting factoids. The gents might want to read up on Prince Albert piercings.

[Royal_Gala]

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And also why is nose piercing associated with being jahil or paindo? I have heard it from far too many people. I just don’t get why people will say anything without thinking or researching first?

So disappointing to see how people in our community behave

[Cashmere]

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Ouchhhh that would kill my nose. I can’t put up with all that pain. I got my ears pierced and that is more than enough for a lifetime. It does look nice on other women though, but I’ll never get it on my nose even if the pain factor gets eliminated. Wouldn’t look good on me.

[Deeba1234]

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So does it really make childbirth easier to handle?

Strange it’s said to originate from the Middle East but isn’t common there now.. apart from Bedouins maybe? (Don’t know much about their culture).. Don’t think I’ve ever seen an Arab girl with her nose pierced..

[Muzna]

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@Royal_Gala

And also why is nose piercing associated with being jahil or paindo? I have heard it from far too many people. I just don’t get why people will say anything without thinking or researching first?

So disappointing to see how people in our community behave

My mom had an answer for this. I wish I could find documentation to support it.
I was told that nose piercings were used to identify slave girls and associated them with their masters. So the more elaborate the nose-ring the wealthier the master sort of thing.
Those women that became educated and were considered “intellectuals” would never desecrate their bodies in this manner…hence the suggestion that the practice was common amongst the illiterates.
Apparently one of the wives of the pharoahs of Egypt took a girl that her husband had shown liking for and had her ears and nose pierced multiple times in order to make her “unappealing and ugly”.

[Daenerys]

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@Muzna

My mom had an answer for this. I wish I could find documentation to support it.
I was told that nose piercings were used to identify slave girls and associated them with their masters. So the more elaborate the nose-ring the wealthier the master sort of thing.
Those women that became educated and were considered “intellectuals” would never desecrate their bodies in this manner…hence the suggestion that the practice was common amongst the illiterates.
Apparently one of the wives of the pharoahs of Egypt took a girl that her husband had shown liking for and had her ears and nose pierced multiple times in order to make her “unappealing and ugly”.

When I got my nose peirced and came to work, one of my African-American friend looked at me weird but didn’t say anything. I asked her how it looks, she said she doesn’t like it. I was like whyy? So she said the same thing, that it represents slavery.

[madz124]

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@Muzna

Apparently one of the wives of the pharoahs of Egypt took a girl that her husband had shown liking for and had her ears and nose pierced multiple times in order to make her “unappealing and ugly”.

Ahhh that sounds like torture.

[Muzna]

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@Daenerys

When I got my nose peirced and came to work, one of my African-American friend looked at me weird but didn’t say anything. I asked her how it looks, she said she doesn’t like it. I was like whyy? So she said the same thing, that it represents slavery.

I knew I would find someone that could collaborate the story eventually!!!
Thank you.

[Chicken_Biryani]

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I think you missed out this bit from Wikipedia :

In India piercings were regarded as a mark of beauty and social standing as well as a Hindu’s honor to Parvati, the goddess of marriage.

Nose piercing does have a religious significance in Hinduism.

I have seen girls do it specially at the time of getting married , so they are able to wear the traditional nath .. Seniors in my family and even at in laws never allowed girls for nose piercing and only said its got very suggestive connotations to it, hence why we couldnt have it :hmmm:

@Deeba1234

It doesn’t have any religious significance and isn’t common amongst Muslims from other cultures.. It doesn’t seem to be discouraged in Islam so probably more a question of personal preference..

'In India the outside of the left is the preferred position of the piercing as this is supposed to make childbirth easier. This is because Ayurvedic medicine associates this location with the female reproductive organs.[SUP][1]](Nose piercing - Wikipedia)[/SUP] In India piercings were regarded as a mark of beauty and social standing as well as a Hindu’s honor to Parvati, the goddess of marriage. Nose piercing is still popular in India. They are often part of Indian wedding jewellery. In Maharastra women wear very large nose pieces that often cover the mouth or the side of the face.

It is common for Pashtun and Pahari women to have both nostrils pierced. Many South Indian Tamil also follow this old tradition. The tradition follows that the woman has her nose rings to pay for her funeral if she has all the gold taken from her. Nose rings or gold studs cannot be easily removed from the woman. Many women from the Asian subcontinent are cremated with just their nose studs as jewellery is removed before the funeral. Indian widows usually remove their nose studs as a sign of respect.’

Source: Nose piercing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[llxxll]

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I got mine pierced at the age of 12. Nose piercing might have religious significance in hinduism etc, but I believe for Pakistanis it’s just a culture thing…for me it was a “cool” thing …I really don’t know how it is viewed in our religion, if you think about what KKF said that we are not allowed to permanently mutilate our bodies then perhaps it isn’t allowed but then that would include ear piercings too… Im really totally clueless about whether or not it is allowed in our religion.

[Daenerys]

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@llxxll

I got mine pierced at the age of 12. Nose piercing might have religious significance in hinduism etc, but I believe for Pakistanis it’s just a culture thing…for me it was a “cool” thing …I really don’t know how it is viewed in our religion, if you think about what KKF said that we are not allowed to permanently mutilate our bodies then perhaps it isn’t allowed but then that would include ear piercings too… Im really totally clueless about whether or not it is allowed in our religion.

Yeah same here…I actually got it done because one of my guy friends got it done and it looked so good on him lol.

[Deeba1234]

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^^I don’t know if it would count as ‘permanent’ because obviously it closes if you just leave it alone..

I find some of the rulings on this a bit strange (and culturally biased.. I’ve read a few who’ve said they allow it ‘if it’s common in your culture’ - if that culture happens to be desi or eastern but not western lol)

[Le_Pakistan]

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@Muzna

My mom had an answer for this. I wish I could find documentation to support it.
I was told that nose piercings were used to identify slave girls and associated them with their masters. So the more elaborate the nose-ring the wealthier the master sort of thing.
Those women that became educated and were considered “intellectuals” would never desecrate their bodies in this manner…hence the suggestion that the practice was common amongst the illiterates.
Apparently one of the wives of the pharoahs of Egypt took a girl that her husband had shown liking for and had her ears and nose pierced multiple times in order to make her “unappealing and ugly”.

I doubt that the desis who associate a nose pirecing with being jahil or paindoo do it because of this reason. Most wont even know the history behind it.