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sadzzz who are you to be dissapointed in other people ?
and if they dont want to like decent, then what’s the problem ? zamana modern ho raha ray, ap b khushee khushee adapt karain. unke apni laife hay apki apni
kids wanna wear what britney spears is wearing or what the kids are wearing in some popular tv serial etc …
yeah decent/well covered people are better
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Mamaof3 has a very valid point here
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u lot..
Matsui.. i certainly do need help… can u help me? ive got a month to look good!!
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sadzz..they wear the shortest of skirts or be butt naked...tuanoo kee? app ka bill aa raha hai kya... :)
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my mistake for showing some concern :) as a friend pointed out to be yesterday.. she doesnt understand why im so worried about these girls.. let them do watever they want.. which is true..
khair my intention wasnt to be judgemental, merely worried for these girls..
lussi, sahi kaha.. menoo ki.. ?
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How far are you going to go to have your kid “fit in”? Where will you draw the line?
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That isnt an easy question to answer since my boys are still so young. But if I thought that things are out of hand, I'd put my boys in private school where uniforms are required. You shouldnt underestimate the importance of "fitting in", you can help your kids fit in and still adhere to values. This is so much more important than what they wear
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No offense intended but I know plenty of kids and men who did not fit in high school and college and they are perfectly normal human beings. The concept of fitting in is very american (i do not mean that as an insult). A child should feel comfortable with who he is and what his background is.
Fitting in todays society by definition means compromising some islamic moral values.
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"who did not fit in high school and college" Please explain. Did they drool, or were they physically too big? I dont understand.
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I quite agree that this whole concept of "fitting in" is American. Since I live in America and this is an important part of growing up in this country, I will make sure that my children do indeed fit in. Otherwise they will suffer unnecessarily. Were I living in Pak, it would be a different story. It is completely different there and things that are important there are not important here and vice versa.
When a child "doesnt fit in", it is usually due to clothing - dressing SO differently from the other kids that they notice and attack. Behavior and/or learning disabilites are also targets. Once a child is seen as different, it typically follows them until they graduate. Hence Columbine. Kidnappings of children who are so isolated from their peers that they accept and go with a stranger who approves of them and accepts them.
I consider myself to be a pretty normal person. Always was. But since my clothing was so different from that of my classmates, I was singled out, made fun of, shunned. Until i graduated high school, this was my life. And it was misery. My children will not be subjected to that, no matter what it takes - whether we have to send them to private school, move to pak, whatever. Did i come out ok anyway? Yes i did, had a good career, got married and now have 3 beautiful boys. But thinking back on my years of school brings nothing but pain. That should not be and I will do whatever it takes to spare my children that.
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For one Bill Gates did not fit in. Most geeks do not. Yet hey look they are the new multi-millionaires. The definition of western society is individualism. Not conforming. That is eastern society.
Pain is a way of life. Kids will always be mean, it is in our nature sadly. However what if you take that pain away would you still be the same person? Would you be better? Childhood is an experience which makes you the person you are. Obvious i know, but hey it helps toughen kids up.
Personally I am against conforming or making kids conform to a society or its veiw points. You instill them with a view point of right and wrong and then see how it works. If you limit it to clothes I don't see anything wrong. But it moves away from clothing to behaviour and the modification of ones moral views and basic beliefs, then i see more harm then good.
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lol dirty eyes..ur a funny buddhi saddzz
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saddz,
sharam and hiya is a subjective measure; the girls you are targeting would, I am sure, thank you for your concern but they may not share you opinion of modesty and manners - as such it becomes pretty moot to those concerned.
Your condemnation of skimpy dresses and slutty behaviour is in sync with your own morals, which may not necessarily appeal or apply to others.
The situation we are witnessing is an after-effect of democracy, boasted by increase in humanity and tolerence level. You will have conflicting outlooks and scenario's whenever two different religions or point-of-views collide. This results in a widely diffused, broad ranged spectrum of opinions which reside side by side in comparative harmony. This is why we are able to see both Burqa clad women and bare-chested chicks co-existing within the same society. Standpoints might differ, contrast even, but you have the right to live the life of your choice, barring extreme cases.
But since you have the right of choice, you are also entitled to bear the consequences. These girls make the deicision of dressing revealingly on their own accord - and incase of minors, in concurance with parent's wishes. It is society's job to inform them of the consequences; both positive and ill, of the dangers of paedophiles, leechers, diseases and other harmful elements that can endanger them. Children cannot understand that, and by that token cannot be held responsible for their acts; hence the age-limit differentiating an adult from a child.
So, the point is, in the secular society most of you live in, the opinion of your neighbour is as important as yours. These girls, as long as they don't tip the law, aren't doing something illegal. You obviously cannot empthize with them and hence are making the mistake of judging them on their personal belief's subjectively - similarly you can only speak for yourself.
Why are you so intent on mark this type of behaviour as a fault? Does everything that doesn't conform to your morals, inherently wrong?
[Note: My questions aren't rhetorical. I am geniunely intrested in your answers]
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hmm i guess im more worried bout the image they are promoting of themselves.. Ive known these girls as lil kids.. and when i hear people (guys and gals both) commenting on them.. i guess i feel sorry for them.. yes u may then say, its these people who are wrong for even commenting… but when u turn up to a fuction organised by ur mosque, dressed in skimpy clothes… really, what can u do?
and no, not everythign that comforms to my morals is wrong… and im certainly not saying that anyone has to agree with me.. i was just pointing out my concern..