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for one, muslims r not rightly portrayed in the media....
and secondly, those who do get the right picture of Islam, do embrace it with open arms....
Are you trying to say that assyrian christians fought islamists...and than rushed fwd to embrace it...?? unpalateable.
Any scientists, any reputed man of letters embraced islam with open arms lately?? no, i am talking about criminals embrassing islam in the jails...
Besides, do you want the proof of how many moslems are leaving it each day??...
i do not take any figure or statistics from anti-islamic sites as PROOF....
Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world....
its a fact, whether u like it or not....
Fastest growing!! where? …i haven’t seen any long queues at any mosques lately??..
As far as I know the only significant numbers of conversions are due to marriages.
But on the other hand european moslems are also leaving it in significant numbers, whether u like it or not…
None of the letters here are from anti-islamic site…infact these are true confessions by moslems on moslem sites…who are worried about other moslems leaving islam in gr8 numbers.
http://members.lycos.nl/whatsthisthen/muslimsleavingislam.html
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well ---- the flow of any religion is in the hearts not in the form of long queues. one cant predict only on the long queues that that religion is growing .
the choice is urs -----(1) accept islam and attain the eternal peace
(2)accept the rule of mulims and attain the peace in this world or
(3)let the sword talking
presently v the muslims cant show u the reality of these three offers coz our leaders r not ours that is the reason a true islamic khilafah is required 2 help u guyz in understanding these three points specially the first ( accept islam)
the change is always from the youth--- when the youth of any community changes that vil bring change in the system and inshaAllah the change in the future of muslims is not far coz v the youth r changing towards our reality----
inshaAllah before DAJJAL v ll prove our worth
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well ---- the flow of any religion is in the hearts not in the form of long queues. one cant predict only on the long queues that that religion is growing .
the choice is urs -----(1) accept islam and attain the eternal peace
(2)accept the rule of mulims and attain the peace in this world or
(3)let the sword talking
presently v the muslims cant show u the reality of these three offers coz our leaders r not ours that is the reason a true islamic khilafah is required 2 help u guyz in understanding these three points specially the first ( accept islam)
the change is always from the youth--- when the youth of any community changes that vil bring change in the system and inshaAllah the change in the future of muslims is not far coz v the youth r changing towards our reality----
inshaAllah before DAJJAL v ll prove our worth
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What is it with you brainwasshed freekz, i simply dont undretsand. U keep druuming Khilaffah Khillafah , listen GET the basicz right 1st. Start having love and care for ALLAh (SWOT) creation. Remember they may be jews and Christians but they are all Allahs creation. You pple are so quick to label people and just then this Khilaffah business. Why NOT work on something U can achieve ? By drumming KHilaffah you are only creating a deep division from whithin. Stick Khillafah up in your own house !!!!, People who dont like it LEAVE them , dont force ur way into something u cant do.
Let me tell you what you can do if you really are a very good sincere muslim. Try attaining a good decent post /carier in life , then with your money and influence TRY doing something for the muslim comminity !!!!, You know you guys are ensuring the youth is not getting good education !, they develop a hate for the democartic system they live in. Try doing it through proper channel !!!. Do you know why Jews are so powerfull ? Its because they are using their brains, they have gotton to good influencial posts !!, why dont u work ur ase off to the extent that people will ilsten to u and then u will also be in a good position to bring a change.
Stop this khilaafah drumming business
SST
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What is it with you brainwasshed freekz, i simply dont undretsand. U keep druuming Khilaffah Khillafah , listen GET the basicz right 1st. Start having love and care for ALLAh (SWOT) creation. Remember they may be jews and Christians but they are all Allahs creation. You pple are so quick to label people and just then this Khilaffah business. Why NOT work on something U can achieve ? By drumming KHilaffah you are only creating a deep division from whithin. Stick Khillafah up in your own house !!!!, People who dont like it LEAVE them , dont force ur way into something u cant do.
Let me tell you what you can do if you really are a very good sincere muslim. Try attaining a good decent post /carier in life , then with your money and influence TRY doing something for the muslim comminity !!!!, You know you guys are ensuring the youth is not getting good education !, they develop a hate for the democartic system they live in. Try doing it through proper channel !!!. Do you know why Jews are so powerfull ? Its because they are using their brains, they have gotton to good influencial posts !!, why dont u work ur ase off to the extent that people will ilsten to u and then u will also be in a good position to bring a change.
Stop this khilaafah drumming business
SST
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this means u r not agree about the khilafah ..
any other solutions ???
i can bet other than khilafah nothing can save us ..now.
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this means u r not agree about the khilafah ..
any other solutions ???
i can bet other than khilafah nothing can save us ..now.
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nothing sweets....all empires live and die like humans...
and they never come back....
only fools keep waiting for them.
yeah, nothing can save you....
dats true...
its repayment time....
yesterday's slaves are your masters today...
it happens happens!!
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this means u r not agree about the khilafah ..
any other solutions ???
i can bet other than khilafah nothing can save us ..now.
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Yes brother I dont agree with you, Khillafah is not THE way fwd. What is needed in desperate amount is
1. Love for muslims for each other.
2. Cooperation whithin the islamic states
Forget about getting all the masses under one plateform that is just not a viable option + it will only add up to our problems. Our approach should be much more Simpler i.e start been a good muslim at heart, home with neighbours. With this we will achieve a lot more than you can imagine. I recommend you take up your studies seriously and get a good decent reputabble job and then use ur influence to achiive and initiate good thingz.
SST
no thanks. the old islamic empire has done enough to screw up the world. we don't want a new one. just get rid of the remnants of the old one. fkg morons ...kilafa indeed!
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no thanks. the old islamic empire has done enough to screw up the world. we don't want a new one. just get rid of the remnants of the old one. fkg morons ...kilafa indeed!
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I am sure such depth in words comes from a deep and thorough study of history, and just not what American media wishes to feed people about Islam...
Because truly, every educated and literate man on the planet will tell you what place Islamic civilization holds in history and what contributions were made...Especially during the times of Khilafah...When the Hindus were burning brides and decapitating lower castes, the Muslims were busy creating a culture rich in sciences and knowledge...
But I am sure you know what you are talking about being so well versed in history and all, Tom...I can't imagine such hatred springing from mere propaganda...But go ahead, you can hate us...After all, being hated is a mark of pride for Muslims...
And don't worry...Your hatred will never be met by hatred from us...Muslims are forbidden from doing that...Hating that is...:)
no cigar. you don't need any depth in history to realize what the kilafa kind of fundamentalist crapidiocy has achioeved. every day a dozen+ get killed by suicidal sobs thinking they're doing alla's bidding. before asking for an islamic empire first try and check those suicidal bimbos then start preaching to others.
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no cigar. **you don't need any depth in history* to realize what the kilafa kind of fundamentalist crapidiocy has achioeved. every day a dozen+ get killed by suicidal sobs thinking they're doing alla's bidding. before asking for an islamic empire first try and check those suicidal bimbos then start preaching to others.
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Great...So without verifying a thing you are gonna pursue your hatred of Muslims...Now who is the ignorant and intolerant? I would like you to search the web and find out if any such words have been used by any Muslim for any faith like the ones you use for us...You won't...Because we aren't intolerant towards anyone...Yet you can find thousands of websites dedicated to hating Muslims and Islam...
I challenge you, find me one Islamic website where any faith is ridiculed, mocked or cursed...
As for the suiciders, they are not suicide bimbos...They are Suicide Soldiers, who use their lives as weapons...
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I am sure such depth in words comes from a deep and thorough study of history, and just not what American media wishes to feed people about Islam...
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Lajawab, We dont need american media nor madressas to teach us history...our forefathers have gone through it...and we rely on their account. Thank you.
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Because truly, every educated and literate man on the planet will tell you what place Islamic civilization holds in history and what contributions were made...Especially during the times of Khilafah...When the Hindus were burning brides and decapitating lower castes, the Muslims were busy creating a culture rich in sciences and knowledge...
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Wot is an islamic civilization??
and wot was its contribution??
wheels? computers? cars?? aeroplanes??
You think civilizations comes out from blue...and you think world needed bare footed iliterate barbarians from deserts to teach us civilization?? it is 'they' who got civilised thanx to rest of us....like it or not!!
And wot do you know about Hindus and their contribution to science and knowledge, to comment on it....
talking about bride burning....how about drawing parallels with Honour Killings by your so called civilised tribes!!
and politically the Ottoman entity was backward even by the contemporary European standards. And wot was their contribution to this world??
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Yet you can find thousands of websites dedicated to hating Muslims and Islam...
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Why should so many ppl hindus, christians, jews, paggans, zorastrians, animists, atheists] round the world hate you and islam so much????
Doesn't this itself speak volumes of history of your peace loving tolerant past???????
Soul, indeed our past has been tolerant and noble...That speaks volumes why every Muslim nation has the most number of minorities from every way of life...
From when Umar ibn Khattab settled Jews in Jerusalem to Saladin rebuilding the Synagogues and houses of the Jews...From medicine to astronomy to arts and mechanics...
Actually the problem with misunderstanding doesn't lie in the fact that you have no clue what you are talking about except spewing notions formed in your mind through constant propaganda that Muslims are backwards...A notion which 99% of rednecks will share with you...
Neither does it lie in the fact that your notions do not come from any solid history but simply through fabricated lies written on anti-Islamic websites which any scholar of history will refute in a heartbeat...
Neither does it lie in the fact that it is in reality you who harbors hatred, animosity and intolerance towards Muslims...If you don't believe me, read your post through Muslim eyes...A feat you can't be capable of because only Muslims are trained to view the world from different perspectives...
The misunderstanding lies in the fact that you have no knowledge except to Google for 'anti-Islam' websites, read a couple of lines from them, form a solid opinion based on those fabricated lines and cut and paste them here in the hopes that someone like you might agree with you...
In order to appreciate other cultures or beliefs you must have an open mind...Something which all Muslims are trained to keep...
Anyways, I am not asking you to believe in what message Islam holds for mankind and neither am I asking you to accept what it preaches...But kindly respect it...I am sure Muslims being as ignorant as they are and you being as literate as you are, must surely be capable of doing that...Respecting that is...If you can't, well, there you go...You would be a classic example of intolerance...
And anyways, why do you care what we believe in and don't believe in...If YOU are so tolerant perhaps you shouldn't care what we believe in...Muslims are a creed and race of worshippers...Anyone who meddles in their worship and their peace is asking for nothing more than trouble, and that's one thing we wish to avoid as much as possible...Trouble...
Peace...:)
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Wot is an islamic civilization??
and wot was its contribution??
wheels? computers? cars?? aeroplanes??
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algebra. try making any one of the above without it. except the wheel yes.
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You think civilizations comes out from blue...and you think world needed bare footed iliterate barbarians from deserts to teach us civilization?? it is 'they' who got civilised thanx to rest of us....like it or not!!
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great, you stick to your worldview, we'll stick to ours. So long as you concede that we are civilised people entitled to an opinion of our own.
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And wot do you know about Hindus and their contribution to science and knowledge, to comment on it....
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we're taught that Hindus were traditionally good mathematicians and astronomers, and we used a great deal of your basis to advance science, just as western civilisation built upon our work through the middle ages.
Im sure a well read person like you would be familiar with the origins and significance of the renaissance.
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talking about bride burning....how about drawing parallels with Honour Killings by your so called civilised tribes!!
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key difference: honour killings are a cultural thing, and are not a part of our religion.
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and politically the Ottoman entity was backward even by the contemporary European standards. And wot was their contribution to this world??
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see above.
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Why should so many ppl hindus, christians, jews, paggans, zorastrians, animists, atheists] round the world hate you and islam so much????
Doesn't this itself speak volumes of history of your peace loving tolerant past???????
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I think you'll find that Hindus are not that hot about Christians either. Athiests have as many sites about christianity as about Islam, perhaps more. I guess thats because theres so many more followers of Islam and Christianity across the planet, and they're thus globally, more significant targets.
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Soul, indeed our past has been tolerant and noble...That speaks volumes why every Muslim nation has the most number of minorities from every way of life...
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Very, i dont doubt it!!
any idea why parsis, b'hais are in india??
And what does 'Hindu Kush' means in arabric?
and Lajavab, wot you call a 'Moslem nation', was once a 'non-moslem nation', with its own unique culture, religion and civilization....so what happened to its natives, that they became minorities in their own land???
And how did Iraq,Palestine, Lebenon, Iran, Egypt, Syria, become Arab countries!! Did any of these sent invitation to arabs??
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From when Umar ibn Khattab settled Jews in Jerusalem to Saladin rebuilding the Synagogues and houses of the Jews
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And Al Aqsa was built over Temple mount.
Also any idea why magnamus generous sultan pulled down Somnath temple in Gujrat 16 times?? and also plundered it..and broke hindu idols inside....Wasnt that a show of tolerance, that we are discussing??
Any idea why uncivilised evil hindus have anything against you?? They should have loved you .....should have made memorials for you on 'Hindu Kush' ranges!!!! smuch smuch smuch!!
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From medicine to astronomy to arts and mechanics...
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Cut that short, sweets.
Medicines to astronomy to arts and mechanic were already processed by different civilizations much before 7th centuryAD....all you did was to shamelessly own it as yours after invading those lands or just countinued its exporation started by others.
Face it, there is nothing unique about Islamic Civilization.
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Actually the problem with misunderstanding doesn't lie in the fact that you have no clue what you are talking about except spewing notions formed in your mind through constant propaganda that Muslims are backwards...A notion which 99% of rednecks will share with you...
Neither does it lie in the fact that your notions do not come from any solid history but simply through fabricated lies written on anti-Islamic websites which any scholar of history will refute in a heartbeat...
Neither does it lie in the fact that it is in reality you who harbors hatred, animosity and intolerance towards Muslims...If you don't believe me, read your post through Muslim eyes...A feat you can't be capable of because only Muslims are trained to view the world from different perspectives...
The misunderstanding lies in the fact that you have no knowledge except to Google for 'anti-Islam' websites, read a couple of lines from them, form a solid opinion based on those fabricated lines and cut and paste them here in the hopes that someone like you might agree with you...
In order to appreciate other cultures or beliefs you must have an open mind...Something which all Muslims are trained to keep...
Anyways, I am not asking you to believe in what message Islam holds for mankind and neither am I asking you to accept what it preaches...But kindly respect it...I am sure Muslims being as ignorant as they are and you being as literate as you are, must surely be capable of doing that...Respecting that is...If you can't, well, there you go...You would be a classic example of intolerance...
And anyways, why do you care what we believe in and don't believe in...If YOU are so tolerant perhaps you shouldn't care what we believe in...Muslims are a creed and race of worshippers...Anyone who meddles in their worship and their peace is asking for nothing more than trouble, and that's one thing we wish to avoid as much as possible...Trouble...
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Are you trying to say that ppl have to agree with you, or face trouble??
All those who agree with you are right..and rest are questioning yor faith and asking for trouble??
Exactly!! thats why the world and its brother is against you....thanx a million for answering your own question...i couldnt have done it better.
Peace!
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Because truly, every educated and literate man on the planet will tell you what place Islamic civilization holds in history and what contributions were made...Especially during the times of Khilafah...When the Hindus were burning brides and decapitating lower castes, the Muslims were busy creating a culture rich in sciences and knowledge...
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Why should Islamic civilization be dependent on Khilafa? Ok, fine, you were very civilised while the rest of us were barbarians, but carry on the good work. Today you have more tools than ever to continue enriching society, khilafa or no khilafa.
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algebra. try making any one of the above without it. except the wheel yes.
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the Decimal system was "invented" by muslims? Ha! Another system which existed well before the muslims stole the credit.
here is the link to the whole history of the system.
www.scit.wlv.ac.uk/univer...17/han.htm
read this-
"In 3000BC the Hindus culture flourished and large numbers were used (inscriptions).
From the middle of 2000BC Indo-European tribes were making their way from the N.W. towards India. They introduced Sanskrit - earliest knowledge of maths from this time.
In Sanskrit there are number words for 1-9, 10, 100 and further powers of 10 - up to 10 - definitely a decimal system."
"The Arabs played an essential part in the dissemination of the numeral system - no number system of their own."
Moslems are credited for learning Hindu numerical system and spreading it to west were they traded...and giving it own mathematician's name- Al-Jazari !!
"...A Latin translation of a Muslim arithmetic text was discovered in 1857 CE at the University of Cambridge library. Entitled 'Algoritimi de Numero Indorum’"
The title '"ALGORITIMI DE NUMERO INDORUM" means "ALGORITIMI ABOUT THE NUMBER OF THE INDIANS".
Darn, Algebra is hardly your contribution. If you think all the rest of the inventions owes its credit to it...than it should not be you taking any credit for it... its real owners are not you!!
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I think you'll find that Hindus are not that hot about Christians either. Athiests have as many sites about christianity as about Islam, perhaps more. I guess thats because theres so many more followers of Islam and Christianity across the planet, and they're thus globally, more significant targets.
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Face it courageously, Anti-islamic sites outnumber others. Why??
Anti islamic websites out number what?
you really are fixated with islam to the point of madness but thats ok.
Islam is a political spirtiutal aqeedah the only ideology to face off today against the capitalist secular ideology today, this is why you have the west and people who have adopted the capitalist secular ideas producing comments and policies against islam and the little matter of your fixation anti islamic websites.
Hindusim, xstianity, bhuddism do not have political aspects and have no say on lifes affairs they are just spirtual beliefs. this is the difference islam does have politics and systems of life!
But i don't expect that to register judging by your one track view!