The New Cold War between India and China

Now that the cold war between US and Soviet Union is over we have a new cold war between two Asian giants, India and China. Let’s see who wins this war?


The New Cold War

India and China are picking up where the US and Soviet Union left off.

By Bruce Sterling

The catastrophic failure of the Columbia rocked America’s commitment to manned space flight, but it galvanized that of another nation: India. Kalpana Chawla, who died in the disaster, wasn’t the first Indian-born astronaut in space, but she was a small-town girl who transcended every third-world limit to storm the cosmos. Her lesson hasn’t been lost on a billion Indians.

Nobody in the Western press takes much notice of India’s space aspirations, because by Yankee standards it doesn’t make sense for India to have any. Yet India launched its first missile in 1963 and its first cosmonaut in 1984. Nobody in the West thought the country would ever go nuclear, either. That was a blunder in judgment.

Nuclear bombs pack a staggering strategic punch when paired with big missiles. Big missiles provide passage to outer space. To loft big payloads into orbit is to have planetary first-strike capability. India’s hefty new Agni III nuclear missiles have a 1,860-mile range, and other homegrown rockets are placing small weather and spy sats in orbit. India’s space agency, ISRO, plans a $50 million lunar flyby in 2008.

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Why is Gandhi’s homeland trying to reach the moon when people sleep on the streets in Calcutta and AIDS gnaws the country’s flesh? For the same reason the US sloughed off poverty programs to fund Apollo in the 1960s: global prestige.

India doesn’t need long-range missiles to nuke neighbor and archrival Pakistan. For a war that intimate, bullock carts would do. The Agni III is aimed straight at world public opinion. The India-Pakistan PR skirmish is already almost over, and India is clearly winning. Every great power sweats bullets over Pakistan’s bomb, but India’s somehow makes that country worthy of consideration for a permanent seat on the UN Security Council.

Although the Pakistanis have a bomb, they have to scrounge North Korean Scud missiles to deliver it - and therein lies a lesson the ruthless “realists” of India’s ruling Bharatiya Janata Party well understand. Pakistan can’t compete in a space race with India. Pakistan lacks the big money and the aerospace chops, and if it keeps trying to match India’s grand achievements, as it always has, it will end up broke and humiliated.

Pakistan has no counterpart to the Agni III, but China does. China’s Long March 2 rocket can launch a satellite and, in its weaponized Don Feng 5 version, drop a 4-megaton warhead practically anywhere on the planet - India most definitely included.

India and China are comers with a lot to prove to the world, and especially to each other. Their rivalry has roots. In a 1962 shooting war, China grabbed some real estate in the Kashmir region and sent India’s army reeling. India never forgot the affront, and the dispute still smolders today.

Since India demonstrated its bomb in 1998, the Chinese have been increasingly uneasy. China reacted to the detonation with angry demands that the international community keep India contained. When that got nowhere, China helped Pakistan go nuclear. In retrospect, that was a scary, destabilizing misstep. But now India and China are poised to continue their rivalry on safer high ground - beyond Earth’s atmosphere.

Nuclear India versus nuclear China is Kennedy versus Kruschev, and Reagan versus Gorbachev, all over again. Now, as then, a space race is a sexy alternative to nuclear annihilation.

China has openly declared its desire to colonize the moon. The world’s most populous nation is unlikely to build lunar settlements, but that’s not the point. China’s motive lies not in constructing a lunar Hong Kong, but rather in luring India into a loud public competition. Later this year, if all goes as planned, China will become the third country to send a citizen into space. An orbiting taikonaut will be even more impressive if American shuttles are stuck in their hangars while the misnamed International Space Station limps along with a skeleton crew.

As Russia once did, China has a strong technical advantage. It already owns a chunk of the commercial space-launch business. But India has a decent shot at victory as well. It doesn’t have China’s manufacturing know-how, but it’s rapidly becoming the world’s software back office.

Who will become top dog in South Asia? That’s an open question, and there aren’t many good ways to answer short of a useless massacre. A space race offers a good solution. It’s a symbolic tournament that tests competing political and economic systems to their limit.

A decade after the end of the Cold War, good old-fashioned space programs still matter. Not for exploration’s sake, but to settle new cold wars. If you doubt it, imagine this scenario: It’s 2029, and a lunar mission lands at Tranquillity Base. A crew of heroic young Indians - or Chinese - quietly folds and puts away America’s 60-year-old flag. If the world saw that on television, wouldn’t the gesture be worth tens of billions of rupees or yuan? Of course it would.


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The new Cold war

China is way ahead, so it is not much of a competition.

Also, India and China seem to be talking investment and signing trade treaties. I don't think they are interested in unnecessary hostility. But Indian politicians are known to do stupid things, so one can never be sure. :D

We haven't seen the last of the tech boom, which substantially boosts India’s economy. With India producing and then exporting some of the best tech brains it will reap benefits that its alumni brings.

It is difficult to say whether China is way ahead. China shows a different face to the world. Just looking at Shanghai and Beijing one cannot get a clear picture of China. SARS would be a boon to India if it gets worse in China.

China will be the manufactuting base for the world and India would be service oriented where all business processing would be done offshore.

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We haven't seen the last of the tech boom, which substantially boosts India’s economy. With India producing and then exporting some of the best tech brains it will reap benefits that its alumni brings.
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You don't reap the benefits by exporting tech brains its called "brain drain" you reap by utilizing, investing and promoting howe grown industry.

This Brain train is a big boon to India. Because of large number of Indians in American computer industry, most American companies are setting up operations in India. It's all the fruits of the efforts of Indian American community in US.

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You don't reap the benefits by exporting tech brains its called "brain drain" you reap by utilizing, investing and promoting howe grown industry.
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Brain drain has two sides to it, one is the negative aspect that you have stated, the positive is that you get your people into corporations across the world, some who will be in charge of or have influence on outsourcing contracts, this is where India would benefit. There are those who want to help the country they came from and know the quality of work that comes from there. In time, more who come from say IIT, will stay in India as contracts and opportunities grow.

There is a difference between an American Co. and and Indian Co. What would you perfer, you rather have an Indian own Industry or work for a phoren one. don't forget the same enterprises were ready to pack their bags and leave during the last stand off. Couldn't have done that if it was Indian.... Here is what GE said, ** Sorry India but China is better ** this was last year when Pak dangled its nukes. Brain drain means you will always work for phoren co.

For comparision with China I think Chinese are way ahead their IT exports alone are well abobe $45B when Indian are hovering at $6B. And there is no chance of cold war with China, the chinese are heading for a superpower status if not this quarter then the next...

BTW Durango Irelands services retaled IT exports were $12B last year.

You are right, India should have their own companies. There should be more Infosys, Wipro, TCS , HCL and Satyams. Most Indians though in India, work for American, Korean , European or Japanese cos.

India’s IT future embedded in software
By Shehla Raza Hasan

Indian companies need to leverage skills in these spheres when global competition gets too hot in the IT and ITES segments, owing to further development of Chinese, Filipino and South Asian talents in the IT services and ITES sectors.

Warns Talat Hasan, chairman and CEO of the Silicon Valley-based Sensys Instruments, said that the good times may run out in the near future for India IT services and ITES segments: “Indian information technology today is very vulnerable as it is not developing unique software products on its own. There is not much intellectual property development in India. What Indian IT companies are doing is routine service and customized software development for US companies. Once the US companies pull out these contracts, there will be no IT left in India. There is a huge threat from China and other Southeast Asian countries. Once these countries start offering the same services at lesser costs, what will happen to India?. India should start developing new products and not merely provide cheap labor.”

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/EE07Df02.html

something wrong with economic statistics. how china with $ 312 billion
exports as compared to india's $ 42 billion have a gnp of only twice
as india?

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something wrong with economic statistics. how china with $ 312 billion
exports as compared to india's $ 42 billion have a gnp of only twice
as india?
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Must be just like per capita Indian exports are less then Pak... something is not right....

GE is planning to add 5000 additional jobs to it’s operations in India by the end of the year abdolly.

Utd,

More from same GE.. But I guess GE boss is wrong you are right.. LOL..

BTW...Are you getting enough of Afghan stuff.. harvest is awesome this year.. :D

He also says that there is a lack of demand in the local Indian market and that infrastructure sector growth is slow.** Furthermore, investors go where the returns are ** , and there are other far more favorable locations for investments than India. "China is moving rapidly to develop infrastructure to support business, but we do not see the same level of interest in India to develop facilities," said Immelt.

Yet another issue that seems to have frustrated the new GE chief is the fiasco over the Enron-promoted $3 billion Dhabol Power project, one of the largest power projects in the country, that has been lying defunct over the past 18 months owing to a tariff dispute with the state government of Maharashtra - the state in which the project has been set up - and the Indian government. GE and Bechtel hold 10 percent each of the project's $1 billion equity. Enron holds the balance of 80 percent.

Unlike other discussions with mud slinging. It is great to have a healthy discussion on future of India and China. India and China should have a healthy competition in fields like population control, literacy, economic development,

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Unlike other discussions with mud slinging. It is great to have a healthy discussion on future of India and China. India and China should have a healthy competition in fields like population control, literacy, economic development,
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I agree Durango but as I see China has made strides in all those fields.

Do you think India will beat China in population? I think India will in next 25 years.

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I agree Durango but as I see China has made strides in all those fields.

Do you think India will beat China in population? I think India will in next 25 years.
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since india has 56% arable land compare to chna's 10% it can
produce more food if proper agcricultural methods were used.

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since india has 56% arable land compare to chna's 10% it can
produce more food if proper agcricultural methods were used.
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500M still go hungry every day either Chinese are very good with their 10% or you are very lousy with your 56%

As far as the IT industry goes.

The trends are disturbing for India. China has

• 125 million telephone lines compared with India’s 30 million,

• 70 million mobile phones to India’s 2.5 million and

• 22 million Internet subscribers to India’s 1.5 million.

• Its international bandwidth is already 1.2 giga bits per second compared to India’s 860 mega bits per second.

• Beijing is also aggressively laying fiber optic cables throughout the country and upgrading its backbone with the latest 3G (third generation mobile) technologies and is expected to surpass the United States as the world’s largest mobile telecommunication network by 2003.

China has 454 scientists and research personnel per million persons as opposed to India which has 149 such experts per million persons.

and lastly for our english gruntin Indian/Jap Matsoooi

"We had the language edge, but now China is fast developing its skills. The cost of its manpower is also much lower.

…and besides all that the Chinese gave us Kung fu while all the Indians managed was the bollywood disco shuffle.

http://www.klaus.fricke.com/service/china.htm

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SARS would be a boon to India if it gets worse in China.

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That has to one of the more crass quotes I've come across in a while.

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I agree Durango but as I see China has made strides in all those fields.

Do you think India will beat China in population? I think India will in next 25 years.
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just to clear a few points. what china is doing may be profitable in the short term but it will surely harm the country in the long run. if u look at it this way, every couple has to feed 7 people - parents of the husband and wife, the husband and wife themselves and their child. so the percentage of working population in the whole population will reduce drastically over a short period of time. do u think china can sustain itself at that point?