I have generally noted that Pakistanis are generally negative about everything specifically about our country and aspects of our society. Someone can compliment us and we will find some way to make it a negative issue. Its like as a society we don’t think anybody is good at anything save for our small little cliques. And that these small little cliques are all that stand between the horde of evil and the salvation of the country
PA/WA are perfect examples of this.
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Chalo jee.
You call it negativity, I call it introspection. Realizing that our nation needs a bit of an overhaul in their collective psyche doesn't make someone bitter or negative, just makes them a realist.
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Your post did reinforce the idea, but its more reflective of the threads calling the PPP a cult or the Sun article. Regardless of logic or reality people are willing to believe the worst about the people and the nation.
The problem Contrarian is that you believe that they need an overhaul that fits with your point of view. Thus my comment that small little cliques believe they are right. The overhaul needed in Pakistan is not based on a point of view. But rather all points of view are valid and that they have the right to express themselves.
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CM from your PPP comments, I can only say you have no idea about magnitude of the problem.
Bad politician should be NS.
Rightest should be JI.
What we have is zombies putting criminals in power.
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I think expressions of negativity are sort of like the pendulum swinging the other way.
You see examples of willful blindness to the faults within the nation and its people and the constant attempts to rationalize and sanitize what cannot be rationalized or sanitized, so that the knee-jerk reaction is to be overly-critical and look for faults that present the counterpoint.
To Contri's point, introspection is good. But positive reinforcement and credit for the good done where it is due should also be meted out.
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I would disagree. I have a better view than a majority of people because I work in the most failed of failed states. I worked in Sudan and now South Sudan. I currently work in Afghanistan. I will most likely end up in Syria or Libya one of these days. I basically work in nation states that have stopped functioning completely.
Then I go home to Pakistan and realize how many aspects of our government do function and how much of the negativity is not based on facts but opinions and delusions.
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The problem Contrarian is that you believe that they need an overhaul that fits with your point of view. Thus my comment that small little cliques believe they are right. The overhaul needed in Pakistan is not based on a point of view. But rather all points of view are valid and that they have the right to express themselves.
I dont think my views would be diametrically opposed to what a vast majority can agree on. There are certain views that enjoy unanimous support, views on corruption, bribery, nepostism. But they don't get applied in practice because they demand from each and everyone of us certain limitations. The negativity is there as it stems from the current state of affairs.
And just being better than Sudan, Afghanistan shouldn't be sufficient.
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**The problem ..... is that you believe that they need an overhaul that fits with your point of view. **Thus my comment that small little cliques believe they are right. The overhaul needed in Pakistan is not based on a point of view. But rather all points of view are valid and that they have the right to express themselves.
So true....
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Yeah some people are really cynical....annoy the hell outta me.
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But why is negativity supposed to be relative or a matter of perspective? What you're saying is we're bad, but not as bad as others and therefore we're good.
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CM is also too negative about us being negative...
Come on.. could you not give our negativity, a positive spin ?
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Whatever! I’m proud of being a Pakistani and what Zardari or others do doesn’t make any difference to my Pakistaniness. 
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isn’t complaining about negativity just more negativity, thereby partaking in the same behavior you are trying to chastise?
a sudanese or burundian or a rwandan CM would never post such a negative thread about his people. 
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Actually Queers post is a perfect example of what I stated. Negativity for the sake of negativity.
Contrarian you are part of the educated elite in Pakistan. That means you represent less than 2% of the over all population of the country. You in most cases have more in common with the gal from Lyon in the seat next to you than you do with the Pakistani gal from Dera Ismail Khan. There would be truly very little you would agree upon when it came to women's rights, social justice, birth control etc.
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i think you are just complaining, pal. pakistani people have seen their lifestyle degrade over the past decade. so they feel everything needs a good fixing. obviously they are comparing with their own society from 10 years ago. not with bora bora or eastern jumbagonda.
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See what I mean. Make a comment and its seen as negative. Actually no it hasn't degrade over the last decade. Its degraded over the last 4 years. 2002 to 2007 saw an increase in income levels, economic development and booms in several economic sectors. Income levels in Pakistan have risen compared to 10 years ago. So has inflation. However the middle class in Pakistan has grown since 2001 and it hasn't gone in a decline since then.
Like I said before negativity without the facts.
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I think queer and CM should give each other a hug. Halal, of course.
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There would be truly very little you would agree upon when it came to women's rights, social justice, birth control etc.
And why would that be? Most of the women, given the rights and awareness, would choose global standards on these issues as long as they don't "entirely" clash with their religious sensitivities.
ps. I am far from elite and certainly not in Pak. Now dont use that against me in the discussion.
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I think we are dragging idea of country.. big cities.. too far.
There should be no countries. People should live in communities where they can see results of what they do.
So they CARE.
To prevent those communities for bulling from big countries I think politics and army should run by women.
Period!!!!!!
While I am at it, I want a complete ban on war-like play-station games in amreeka.
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i see what you did there pal. 
anyway, women and army - i can already see PCG running towards us with an AK-47…