Asalamualaykum,
I have a question about to Shia brothers and sisters. Is it true that they do not keep the name Umer. And if it is true than for what reasons do they not name their children Umer? Any reply’s would be greatly appreciated
Thanks!
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Hz. Umer 
is the biggest enemy of Islam according to Shias…They don’t name anyone Umer…
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Why is he the HZ Umer the biggest enemy of the Shia's? Can anyone plz explain to me why and if they could also provide proof if infact Shia's don't like the name Umer it would be helpful as well so that I can back up the reasoning.
Thanks!
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My mother helps out at an old people's home in Bahrain as a volunteer. She was helping a very elderly Bahraini Shia woman, who was very grateful and wanted to know my mother's name. So my mother gave her first name.
The Bahraini woman said something back in arabic, which my mother's arab friend translated as "She want your name in the arab way, as 'Umm' followed by your eldest son's name".
So my mother says back, "Umm Umar" (my brother's name is Omar). The elderly woman replied in shock saying something that was translated as "No, no, any other name!!!"
My mother quickly realised that the woman didn't even want the word "Umar" to pass her lips.
Just to make her happy, she came up with "Umm Ali" and the elderly woman was pleased.
So the moral of the story is... at least one Shia woman in Bahrain wouldn't even say the word "Umar", let alone name her son after him.
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They believe that Hz. Umer was part of a conspiracy on part of the early Muslims to bring Islam down…Or what they consider correct, anyways…
They believe that the Sahaba (companions of the Holy Prophet :saw:) of that time conspired with other Sahaba to bring Islam down to achieve something or the other…
I can’t make head nor tails of it…
There are many Shias on this board and I am sure they will provide you the info as to why they consider Hz. Umer to be the biggest hypocrite and enemy of Islam…
Hz. Umer amongst Sunnis is considered one of the noblest and greatest Sahaba of the Holy Prophet :saw: and consider him to be intrumental in spreading Islam to many different parts of the world as well as defeating the Roman and Byzantine armies that threatened Muslims of that time…
Sunnis consider his name a blessed name and consider the person of Hz. Umer :razi as a true hero and servant of God…
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wow thankyou so much for reply's especially for the last reply. Greatly appreaciate it. If I can hear some more reply's from people who are actually shia on this thread,, it would be greatly appreciated
thanks!
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The Bahraini woman said something back in arabic, which my mother's arab friend translated as "She want your name in the arab way, as 'Umm' followed by your eldest son's name".
So my mother says back, "Umm Umar" (my brother's name is Omar). The elderly woman replied in shock saying something that was translated as "No, no, any other name!!!"
My mother quickly realised that the woman didn't even want the word "Umar" to pass her lips.
Just to make her happy, she came up with "Umm Ali" and the elderly woman was pleased.
So the moral of the story is... at least one Shia woman in Bahrain wouldn't even say the word "Umar", let alone name her son after him.
Wow, I could have never imagined how prohibited Shia's feel by using even the name of our great Khalifah RaD. Thankyou for the story
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i have people saying “laanat Allah alayh” when they hear the name umar…
may Allah curse those who curse pious ppl like Umar (ra)…
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That’s an over generalisation - I specifically mentioned that one particular Shia woman would not say it.
My family is close friends with a very religious Shia family, none of whom have any problem calling my brother by name.
It’s not a prohibition on saying his name. It’s just that some Shias just don’t like him one bit… even his name.
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My family is close friends with a very religious Shia family, none of whom have any problem calling my brother by name.
It's not a prohibition on saying his name. It's just that some Shias just don't like him one bit... even his name.
SOrry, I didn't mean to generalize. What I meant was not all Shia's but how some for instance the old women felt as if saying the name was not even right.
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It is only present day shiaz who do not name thier children after great sahbah
Most imams of shiaz had thier children named after these sahbah.
Many narrators in shia hadith books are name after these sahbah and even there are many rawis name muawiyah
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well im a shia but i dont think so if shia does not like the name umer .its true that most of our imams kept their children names on sahabas names.Hz Ali(a.s)himself kept his child name on Hz Abu bakr name, Bakr bin Ali( one of his son).and this does not mean taht names concern with anyother things which sahabas did.he could put their names on any other sahabs names but he only put these names which tells that names does not make any diffreence to keep on sahabies names.if you put your child name a rose then it does not mean that your child will be a rose or a rose petal.when he gets old then might be he will become a bad person and everyone calls him a courget instead of a rose.and so far,its also true and everyone knows that what has Hz umer done to the prophet(p.b.u.h)s family.it was his and Hz Abu bakr's great idea of making of the "saqifah bani saa'daa"which was not according to the islam, and you call him an islamic leader? that thing which is not related to islam how can it will be surely possible to any islamic leader to commit such a thing .so this means a bidaat if you understand the manings of it.and both sahabas done many things like tht which are certainly not according to the islam.i have reffrences of these from one of the most famouse aalim of shia,before who used to be a big aalim of sunnies. he is from tunisia and has a master degree in islamic history and laws frome one of the biggest university if islam calls Al Azhar university of egypt.and you need some research then say anything else about this.thank you.
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Shias do not name their children as Umar etc due to the fact that their first wish is to name their children on personalities from Ahulbayt [as] who are considered best role models in all aspects of life and religion. Having said that, still many Shias in arab countires name their children as Umer but this does not have any link with the 2nd caliph, rather the some names have always been common in arab world including Umar, Osman etc.
I hope this answers the question.
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Could you please elaborate on what actions of Umer were Un-Islamic at the time of the demise of the Prophets SAW?
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for answer of the above question is this.the very big and very popular thing about Hz Umer’s un islamic action is the Hadith of the Pen and the Paper.these refrences are taken from the most famouse book of sunnieis calls Sahih Bukhari:oo4.052.288,005.059.9716,004.053.393.007.070.573 and Sahih Muslim says in 001.003.114,013.4014,013.4015,013.4016.and if you wish to see more about these then you can read aalims books one call **then i was guided.**narration by **muhammad al tijani **sumawi.he also gave reffrences from other noblest muslims who has writen great books of their time.and also you can see the sunni shia’s views on this hadith.and one more thing that this is not only one thing about your caliphs,lots of more like these are awaiting for you to know.so how can say anyone about anything without having any
knowldge.
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Here is the hadith from Bukhari:
*Volume 4, Book 52, Number 288: *
Narrated Said bin Jubair:
Ibn ‘Abbas said, “Thursday! What (great thing) took place on Thursday!” Then he started weeping till his tears wetted the gravels of the ground . Then he said, "On Thursday the illness of Allah’s Apostle was aggravated and he said, “Fetch me writing materials so that I may have something written to you after which you will never go astray.” The people (present there) differed in this matter and people should not differ before a prophet. They said, "Allah’s Apostle is seriously sick.’ The Prophet said, “Let me alone, as the state in which I am now, is better than what you are calling me for.” The Prophet on his death-bed, gave three orders saying, “Expel the pagans from the Arabian Peninsula, respect and give gifts to the foreign delegates as you have seen me dealing with them.” I forgot the third (order)" (Ya’qub bin Muhammad said, “I asked Al-Mughira bin 'Abdur-Rahman about the Arabian Peninsula and he said, 'It comprises Mecca, Medina, Al-Yama-ma and Yemen.” Ya’qub added, “And Al-Arj, the beginning of Tihama.”)
What is wrong with it and what does Umer RZT have to do with it?
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The following reference explains the Sunni point of view:
This is a very detailed reply and should be read on the web site.
http://www.yanabi.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=12&threadid=107&STARTPAGE=1&enterthread=y
…They say pen and paper should have been given to the Holy Prophet (sawaw) …I say if Hazhrat Umer (ra) refused, then why did the People from the Ahle Baieet never provided them… Were they afraid of Umer (ra)? no.. So they agreed with him then ?.. Why did Imam Ali (as) never mentioned regarding this in any of his Khutbas, if it had been so important… What the Shias are suggesting is that the Ahle Baieet were afraid and they kept their heads low and practiced Taqiyya … Anyone who practices Taqiyya cannot make the people follow him or her !
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The questions on the things ‘which never’ happened does not negate the incident or may i use the words of companion Ibn Abbas [ra] “tragedy” and he used to weep profusely for that tragedy. The point is that a notable one raise question on the state of mind of Holy Prophet [s] which caused distress to Him [sa] and he ordered those people to get out of his house. (these are the things which happened, no need to question the things on assumptions or which never hapened).
And I must say that it shows ignorance and idiocy of the above cited writer for he brought in the conecept of taqqiyah in the matter while it has nothing to do with the matter. As i said, no need to make assumptions and bring different things in the mantter, need to conerntrate what really happened!
If we go according to the topic of this thread, then my previous post answers the topic otherwise thread is changing into something different.
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Thank u lajjo, maddy, bao bihari & armughal.