The Name-Calling, Slandering, and our sense of Morality

Re: The Name-Calling, Slandering, and our sense of Morality

I am not saying it is good or bad. I am just saying that you cannot have forum policies on these things since there are no bright lines. You can see here someone has a problem with Indian posters posting about Pakistani politics. What next? Where do you stop, if you start such censors?

There are some posters who like to bring up colorful past of politicians. Some don't. I think readers can judge which ones to take seriously.

Re: The Name-Calling, Slandering, and our sense of Morality

Colorful or dirty ?

Re: The Name-Calling, Slandering, and our sense of Morality

^ khirad ka naam junu rakh diya junu ka khirad----jo chahay aap ka husn-e krishma saaz karay

Re: The Name-Calling, Slandering, and our sense of Morality

Personally, I think people should remain civil but not for the mere sake of politeness and most certainly not because the politicians deserve it. When people descend into name-calling, personal attacks, and slander, the focus turns to the back and forth barrage of insults and petty naming calling and shifts away from the important issues that affect the country and must be addressed.

An example of this is the tendency people have to bring the personal lives of politicians into political discussions when it has no bearing on the issue being discussed. When people do this, the dialogue shifts away from the discussing the issue itself and becomes about the maligned politician/party and their need to respond to the slander. In fact, I would think that this plays right into the hands of politicians. What better way to deflect attention away from your political wrongdoings than for the public to remain occupied arguing over irrelevant details of your private life?

It is understandable and logical to bring up the private lives of politicians when it is relevant and linked to the issue being discussed but when it isn't, it only serves to derail any serious dialogue about the issue and hence, it would be wise to refrain from it.

Re: The Name-Calling, Slandering, and our sense of Morality

Indians posting and opining in purely internal Pakistani politics is another discussion. Some other time. Just as example one Indian poster said "Khas Kum Jahan Pak" to Mr.Luqman whatever name of the ARY person or "No I do not want Luqman in my country". Something like that. What was the point? Did Mr. Luqman steal a lungi of any Indian? :D

What I was referring to name calling of Pakistani politicians or famous persons, not only by "Pakistani" posters but also by Indian posters. Both are wrong.

Why not call wrong act wrong??

Re: The Name-Calling, Slandering, and our sense of Morality

Excellent Thread. :k:

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Absolutely, let me give you a very recent example. there was a thread about nya KPK, that had to be later cleaned up and I'd to actually PM someone to highlight how much slandering and personal attacks were thrown especially from one guppan while a couple of mods were not only letting it go but also were weighing similar opinion which isolated the one who was being attacked and in the end he just resigned and got out.
Do we need this situation? I dont think so. Thats why I had to call out the accessible person to point towards that.

My point is, it'll be easier and quicker for an unbiased mod to take a decision, judge it who's going beyond limits and issue a warning. Its that simple. But u wont know if you become a part of it.

I can certainly dig more and give you more examples if you want.

No thats not unnecessary. I appreciate what mods do but i've to point out if i see that there is name calling by a certain member and they are not getting warned just becuz the political opinions are same as mods, wut do u want us to derive? I highlighted this here becuz this is the right thread to discuss why its prevailing and how to stop it. What I suggested is a very straight forward point and shouldnt be taken as offensive.

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who would set the 'limits'? I don't disagree with you on self censorship of bad language, but not as an official policy. Where does 'frustration nikalna' ends and where 'slandering' start? Who will draw the lines? Who would come up with a dictionary of acceptable and unacceptable words? Dig out my old posts. The worst I've done is calling someone racist bigot. For some it would be intolerable offense, for some it would have been justified given the situation. Second worst is I call several politicians as haram khor. Again, offensive for some, and for some I am being polite.

If the mods are working on voluntary basis, please do not increase their workload. If they start taking decisions on such subjective basis, there would be many more complaints against them than we already have.

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How you can
Leaders are doing this

*=right]بجلی بحران حل نہ کرنے پرشہبازشریف کا نام شوبازشریف رکھ دیا ہے، محمود الرشید](http://www.express.pk/story/262953/)

  • I received my first warning for inventing this here

Re: The Name-Calling, Slandering, and our sense of Morality

Supposedly, if mods moderate according to their 'party affiliation', surely then they would not have allowed derailing of countless serious threads where they party they allegedly support was under sever attack and it's supporters being abused 'as a group' from every corner (more power for returning the favours as they go along). People who have seen and contributed in serious threads turned into off topic personality bashing thread should give some credit to mods for allowing that trend to not just continue but thrive.

There are people who make sincere and structured opposing posts, and there are people who make opportunistically make inflammatory, political point scoring one liner posts simply to get a reaction, and when they do get a reaction, they cry foul play. I'm sorry, it's those kinds that need to get off their high horses or stop posting on an open public forum altogether. wouldn't be surprised if the mods have very little regard for such posters and their behaviour. I am not the one advocating any prissy online manners here, I understand that there people who'd like to defend their opinions with force, and there are people who just want score political points.

Like I said, there's at least a procedure in place to deal with personal insults, but there is no particular way or incentive to deal with the direct/indirect abuse of an entire group of group. And it's that kind of political extremism and slandering that some people want it to look acceptable and justified. It's not okay to answer the personality behind the post, but it's totally civilised, righteous, productive to stereotype, accuse, abuse, demonised and totally discredit an entire group. If anyone wants to know why in 2014, Pakistanis realised that killing of Ahmadi or Shia is wrong, they probably need to ponder over the last sentence.

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It is really funny situation with Pakistani politicians, cronies of politicians, and Pakistanis on payroll of these politicians.

These people love commissions, kickbacks, robbery, briberies, corruption, taking loan not to return, lies, making fool of masses, nepotism, family rule, illegal actions, living and getting treated above law, plot grabbing, looting, plundering, misuse of power, exploitation, VIP treatment, Protocols, etc, etc, etc .. but when people want to remember them from what they do and call them what they are, these thugs get agitated, angry, upset, and want people not to remind them what they do and what they are … rather, want people to keep quite and give them respect (something they do not want to earn, rather lose with every action they do).

But, how can that happen?

When a person rob then that person should be prepared to be called robber, and same way … these politicians should be prepared to be called what they are.

Politicians should know that it is one of the hazard of politics that nothing personal of a person stays personal … as what is personal to them is only valid as long as they cannot effect the lives of others, but politicians effect lives of others, hence nothing about their personal life is personal to them.

Just imagine … crooks cannot say that no one remind people that they are crooks … because if people would not call them crook, their crimes would be away from the sight and knowledge of people, and in that case unaware person might make a crook manager of their business, where this crook would rob and harm that person.

Just think … if ‘Mr A’ know that ‘Mr B’ is womaniser and rapist and still' Mr A' keep quiet about 'MR B' then ‘Mr C’ who could be relative, friend, or associate of 'Mr A' might hire ‘Mr B’ (womaniser and rapist) to be tutor of his daughter and then 'Mr B' could rape daughter of 'Mr C'. … then obviously in that rape, 'Mr A' is also responsible and equally guilty, as by not calling 'Mr B' womaniser and rapist, 'Mr A' has helped 'Mr B' to get job of tutor and thus manage to rape daughter of 'Mr C'. Hence it is social and moral duty of 'Mr A' to call 'Mr B', womaniser and rapist, so that unwary people like 'Mr C' get aware.

Same is true about corrupt thugs in Pakistani politics. If we do not call them what they are (corrupt thugs) then they would loot and plunder the country with much more impunity then when they are called what they are (corrupt thugs), and in that case, we would be responsible (as helper) of that loot and plunder too.

So my advice to politicians and all who would like to be in public offices is that … they do not do anything that can give excuse to people to call them with unlikable names, and if they want to do things that are unlikable, then they should not cry if they are called what they do and what they are.

Note: Even though personally I do not usually call Thug Nawaz … as Ganja or Tind … and it is not right to call anyone Ganja … if his Ganja-pan is natural and that person has accepted that Ganja-pan as God given (something that is due to genetic reason) … but thugs like Nawaz who spent millions of looted money to cover up their Ganja-pan then they included their Ganja-pan in corruption too … making it valid for people to call them Ganja or Tind].

Re: The Name-Calling, Slandering, and our sense of Morality

Bari dair ker dee mehrbaan aatay aatay

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All reasonings merely to justify name calling and slandering. Wah wah. :slight_smile:

At least think of so mnay people around the world reading this open discussion board. What will they think of “Pakistanis” how they deal with the differences among each other or with politicians they do not like.

Let’s be honest: We all may be guilty of crossing lines once in a while including myself but perhaps we need to acknowledge this wrong behavior and it is not the way to discuss political differences.

Nothing good comes out in the end and topic does get buried somewhere far away. What we need is substance in the posts.

There are ways to make fun of politicians with intelligence, wit and humor but not cheap humor and name calling or highlighting the looks, color or something the politician or person cannot change. etc.

If criticism is to be made along these line then there has to be very strong reason why and still with a flavor some kind of wit.

I remember people making fun of Zia ul Haq of his one eye not matching with other. True or false but people used to call him “Kaana”.


One more important point: **Why cursing the person? May he/she die soon. May he/she get killed. May he/she rot in hell. etc.
**:smack:

Are we not actually becoming part of killing process indirectly this way. Besides this reminds me of an old uneducated woman cursing someone.

If it takes policy of GS to make it happen then so be it.

If the mods are working on voluntary basis, please do not increase their workload. If they start taking decisions on such subjective basis, there would be many more complaints against them than we already have.
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So basically you are saying that if one person is attacking another one personally back to back the other person shouldn't look towards the mod to intervene. I get it. But then why stop the other person when he responds? Obviously he'll respond some way as he's being slandered continuously.

May be I was expecting too much. Let me pull it down completely

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Ya Allah Khair..PD and Diwana agreeing on something..but one has to appreciate the right sentiments with open heart…

Diwana is spot on especially this one*** “All reasonings merely to justify name calling and slandering”***…that shocked me as well…i mean folks are trying to justify name calling politicians…

Nothing good comes out in the end due to these name callings and topic does get buried somewhere far away. What we need is substance in the posts.

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Yes. Allah Rehem Karey.

Yeh Sab Khayamat Ke Asaar Hain. :smokin:

:smiley:

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Why do you have so much love affair with people in politics who are liars and plunderers?
Check my posts in Nandipur project thread … here it is for your convenience … and think about lies PMLN politician SherAli and others are claiming on TV talk shows that project is hard work of Nawaz Shareef and Shahbaz Shareef … and want to take credit of this project too … but you can see that their claims are nothing but lie. … Now, do you want us to not even call them liars … Kasabs … and that … ayesay chooton per Allah kee lanaat ho (‘lanatul-kazabeen’)?

You want people to suffer, get killed, get abused, get exploited … but should not call their tormentor what they are?

Just imagine … Taliban have killed over 60,000 innocent Pakistanis and then people trying to say that one should not call them Khabees, beast, Kharjees, terrorists … etc … but quietly suffer in their hands because calling them terrorists would make Islam look bad? …

A paragraph from article ‘Desert-bird’ posted (published in Daily Times … June 2014):
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Paragraph from article below … published in Sept 2011 … written by Shahbaz Shareefclaims entirely a different story.

Yea kiya baat hay kay … people in the name of democracy are looting, plundering and destroying the country, making fool of the masses, exploiting and abusing powers without caring about laws … and you want those who get effected from their deeds (actually, whole Pakistan and every Pakistani is getting effected from their deeds) should not even call them what they are … and abuse army when army feel pity on people and come in to get rid of these parasites … just because for some (who benefits from democracy because they are partner in the crime and have similar mentality) want to sell that democracy is better even if people coming to power using crutches of democracy are demons … rather, worse then demons.

I think the mentality you want to promote is same what JI chief … Munawwar Hasan showed in his interview … advising girls that if they get raped they keep quite … as they could not provide 4 witnesses … and thus if they report they would be punished for adultery or fornication … probably, what he mean was that … if a man find her secretory in office alone then he can rape her and since she could not provide 4 witnesses she should stay calm, get raped and expect justice after death so … only do wird of wazifa (munawwar munawwar … kiya baat hay meray sarkar).

After hearing Munawwar Hasan ‘advice of wisdom to girls who get raped’ … basically considering any girl wanting justice after rape to be non-Muslim … or telling men that this is what Islam promotes (girl get raped and stay quite) … and implying that if any person do not agrees with what he (Munawwar Hasan) said then he/she is not Muslim’ … still if I do not call Munawwar Hasan ‘a retard’ than obviously, I must be retard. :slight_smile:

Re: The Name-Calling, Slandering, and our sense of Morality

Give it a rest, Sa1eem. Use relevant threads to prove your point. This is just an FYI thread, asking everyone to reflect.

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We are not talking about posters attacking each other. That is a big NO NO.

We are talking about people abusing political figures.

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Please come up with a list of words and phrases which should be allowed to be written in the honor of our dear political leaders and then a list of words and phrases which are to be considered slanderous and/or filthy enough to not to be allowed.

GS admins can then endorse that list and make it an official policy.