Degas,
If U R not into challenges then stop your attacks.
You say:
"Do u think what u r getting from Immamt is autentic than sunnah."
R U questioning the authenticity of the Quran or its Prophet or that the Quran is from Allah?
If I recall correctly - Aya 59:7 is talking about the war booty and how it should be distributed?
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Originally posted by blackzero:
**oh by the way...
we should not look at quran for every answer as it cannot provide it..
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Are you sure of that? I think its more a matter of the fact that a lot of the time we just don't know what we are looking for.
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Originally posted by bg:
*Islam is not following Mohammad, true Islam is to follow the Quran.
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I have a question for you, do you read salaah? Fajr, zuhr,asr,maghrib and ish'aa?
Islam is the religion of Allah swt. A muslim is one who follows Islam..one who submits himself or herself to the will of Allah swt. To do so, first and foremost, we must look at what Allah swt has said to us in the Qu'ran, secondly we have the sunnah of the Prophet, sallallaho alaihe wasallam in the form of hadiths, and then after that we have our own conscience, the sense Allah swt has blessed us with to reason with.
Degas;
That is a beautiful ayat that you posted. Yes, you should take WHATEVER the holy apostle (pbuh) gives and tells you.
Alas, your Umar bin Khattab did not think so. That is why he called the prophet (pbuh) crazy at the holy messenger's death bed and refused to give him something to write on.
But ofcourse, since we are talking about Umar the tyrant, we should do one of the following sunni actions;
1) Ignore the Quranic ayats
2) Come with a unique intrepretation of the ayat.
3) Ignore this particular hadith in SAHIH BUKHARI and take the rest of the hadiths as authentic AND still consider Bukhari and Co free from errors.
4) Avoid this topic altogether and move on with false beliefs.
I think that I have covered all what you sunnis like to do.
Umar, the one who doubted the prophethood of the holy messenger (pbuh). Yeah, he was really good.
I will try to give you detailed answer about all hadidths which majority of us beleive in more than Quran. Inshallah when time permits.
My point is that Islam does not allow and permit any kind of idiolization even for the Prophet Mohammad S.A.W.
Regards,
a11shah to Degas....>>Alas, your Umar bin Khattab did not think so. That is why he called the prophet (pbuh) crazy at the holy messenger's death bed and refused to give him something to write on.<<
But did it ever occur to you sir, that the only reason Syedna Omar did not provide any writing instrument may be that he did not want to trouble, already distressed Prophet, becuase of his illness. It is not that Prophet died shortly after Syedna Omar's refusal. As a matter of fact, he became better and lived another two days in which he walked on his foot and went to Masjid e Nabvi and offered prayers.
Don't you think that if it was something so important he wanted to put in balck & white, he had ample oppertunity to do so, weather Omar like it or not. I am sure Syedna Ali would be too happy to provide pen or paper, provided there was anything important the Prophet wanted written!!
But to preach that the Muslim Umma has been so greviously deprived of any instructions the Prophet wanted to leave shortly before breathing his last and that the whole responsibility of this are the devious intentions of Omar...........is so sad on your part.
Baktry;
You have one sad case of sunni fever.
So now, it was ok for Omar to make his own decision as to WHAT WAS GOOD FOR THE PROPHET.
Fear Allah you wretched person.
If it was not a matter of urgency, do u think that the prophet of Allah (pbuh) would have made the trouble of asking something to be written on while he was in pain.
Your sunni excuses will never end.
Here, you preach what Allah (swt) has commanded - that take WHATEVER THE PROPHET (pbuh) prescribes - Good / Bad / whether u like it or not / whether u agree with it or not / ..... Do u get the picture you little man.
YES, IT WAS VITAL WHAT THE HOLY MESSENGER WANTED TO WRITE DOWN - It was the name of his successor.
It is because of yr Umar bin Khattab that we are here in the middle of the night arguing about the events that happened.
That letter from the seal of prophethood could have saved us 1400 + yrs of argument.
Get that into yr head.
A11shah wrote,
"YES, IT WAS VITAL WHAT THE HOLY MESSENGER WANTED TO WRITE DOWN - It was the name of his successor."
Yes but he wanted to write name of Hazrat Abu Bakr bur God had already chosen a better way to do that. God didnt wanted muslims to start looking at Prophets family that could become rulers for 1400 years u r pointing out. Thats why Prphet Muhammad had no son . Islam is not a family affair. All muslims are equal that makes this religion greatest. Thank God a great majority of muslims dont agree with your concept and its greatest religion of the world.
If we accept ur faith then all siunnis are kafir and how many muslims are left in this world? This would render Islam as a very minority religion. Its ur utter frustration that A great majority of muslims regard Hazrat Umer as a great companion of Prpphet a thats truth.
U may keep looking moon for ur inspiration. Hazrat Ali didnt bothered about the worldly things like Khalifa nor did anyother sahaba.
what up,
ok this started off as the sighting of the name of ali in the moon...Y is it now a discussion of who's rite and who's wrong?! there's this other site on gupshup that shows the face of mirza ghulam ahmed in the earth mars etc...it's nice to see things like that but....laterz
"There as many ideas in the minds of men and women as there are stars in the sky, it is your job to hold on to one and make it come true"
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Oooh Yes my misguided friend (Degas);
Your sham sahabas did not have any itch for the Khilafat which is why they didn't bother to attend the prophet's funeral and had their secret meeting at Saqifah - where none of the Bani Hashims were present.
And yes, it must have been the old man Abu Baker that the prophet wanted to choose - you know, the one that ran from battles, spent most of his time as a Kafir, and hurt the holy Lady of Light, Fatima Zahra.
Go back to licking yr lollipop.
If being numerous and a majority was a sign that a belief was correct, well let me inform you that Christianity is whipping us hands down.
If being wealthy, powerful, and abundant was a sign of righteousness, than muslims of yr kind are the last in line.
So pls don't dish out such crap. The Qur'an explicitly states "And the believers are in the minority". You can intrepret that ayat as you will but bottomline - Don't insult yourself by forcibly praising Abu Baker whose entire life long achievements (if there were any besides dis-obeying the prophet and stealing the throne) is as significant as the dirt on ones shoes.
Then ponder upon the holy Imam Ali (as) (though it may hurt you much) who was the gate to the City of knowledge and the guardian of faith after the holy apostle (pbuh).
So go with yr majority beliefs - for Yazid and Muavyah and the Umayads and Abbasids were all in the majority - all misguided and munafiq.
And you, well you are just one of their many off-springs.
And stop with this kufar labelling. I did not say, nor believe, that sunnis are kafirs. These are words that yr molvis like to label on the rest of the world - not the other way around.
A11shah,
U have more than once posted that u want shia/sunni united. But I dont consider u as shia, they are followers of Hazrat Ali amd Imam Hussain , u r follower of hate. Hate is ur religion. Your last post revealed all ur inner nature. Thank God there is a very minute minority in shia that have ur faith. I woul;d love to be with Sahabas likr Hazrat Abu Bakr and Hazrat Umer after I die, But thats too much to ask from God. I may not be that fortunate. For u can look all ur life at moon trying to pray to that stone and get ur salvation. to answer u is shame for any shia or muslim. U r not different from ur friend Humble, who wa scaught in having many aliases, and funningly all girls. Who was praising him all the time and u r not different from him.
Thankyou Degas;
Yes, I am now worshipping stones and the moon - Thanks for letting me know.
Is this another of yr sunni / wahabra teachings - start the rhetoric and baseless accusations when stuck into a corner.
Let's try and remain civil here.
Oh and don't worry, you'll be with Umar and Abu Baker, just keep going along yr present course.
I wish you the best in yr endeavours.
This thread has lost its purpose.