Do we need to say that given verses are love encouraging.
Ms Nadia, What is a proper contextual notes? Let the God’ word? as it is!
This is from Sura 3, Nobel Quran.
O you who believe! Take not as (your) Bitânah (advisors, consultants, protectors, helpers, friends, etc.) those outside your religion (pagans, Jews, Christians, and hypocrites) since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse. Indeed We have made plain to you the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses) if you understand. (118)
Lo! You are the ones who love them but they love you not, and you believe in all the Scriptures *. And when they meet you, they say, “We believe”. But when they are alone, they bite the tips of their fingers at you in rage. Say: “Perish in your rage. Certainly, Allâh knows what is in the breasts (all the secrets).” (119).
I have read it at a Quran site…(are not from any anti Islam propaganda,
Now, your own quote shows who are the people related/referred in verse 118. Do you get it? If not then ask. Also, remove all the paranthesis (brackets) with words within then you can say that this the translation from Quran.
Can anybody tell me why America is saying of diplomacy in Middle East and othet Arab countries..Well, from my point of view ..i think US just wants to put his own Puppet Governments ...when he succeed in throwing out the present rulers ...
i know my post is just off the topic that u ppl are discussing
i am truly sorry but then - what’s your ultimate point? That all Muslims are out to kill “infidels”, the “non-believers”? Or that Islam is essentially a religion that teaches abhorrent principles? That all Muslims’ minds have been corrupted ?
i am sorry but why did you not respond to the Quranic quotes i had posted in my previous reply to yourself ? What happened to those ?
Since both of us are going to cling to our beliefs regardless of whatever the other states, i propose we agree to disagree. You have your perspectives on Islam, i have mine. Regards,
nadia
" O you who believe! Take not as (your) Bitânah (advisors, consultants, protectors, helpers, friends, etc.) those outside your religion (pagans, Jews, Christians, and hypocrites) since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse. Indeed We have made plain to you the Ayât if you understand. "
The line (taken the way Fantoosh takes it)..."They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths" reeks of hypocrisy.
According to Islam, the best example to follow is that of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Never once have i come across an incident written in some book of where he mistreated any person based upon their religion - and this includes works that have been written by nonMuslim scholars such as John Esposito.
What more can i say regarding this subject - i am not certain. There is always more to a person than meets the eyes and the same goes for religions, particularly commonly-misunderstood religions such as Islam.
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There have been many wars concluded without any bloodshed (or a little bloodshed) just because there might not be any resistance.
(If Makka war is an example of of a nice ruler, then Bush must be considered another Masiah in Iraq war.)
I have no objection to any one’ self praise, though my question is going blank…….
Will you please mention any Islam kingdome from past gloryfied without any bloodshed or religious racism.
Is the quranic code Zazia (or Jazia) and implementation of this Jazia not a religious racism?
History without reasoning is not knowledge!
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Mister...History is history...it does not need reasoning....and yes it is still knowledge. It is things that happened in the past...it is not a scientific observation....What in the world are you talking about at the end of your quote there....go read sir!....and start with the definition of the word "HISTORY"
Please use this freesom of speech wisely.
If you are going to quote the Quran and then say that it is not love encouraging and start saying things that are against the very core of Islam then you are being blasphemous. Blasphemy and other cursing and abusive language will no be tolerated in this site. If you are a non-muslim I can understand why you would even say the statement at the top of your post, but if you are a Muslim then you are going against what Islam and Quran is teaching us and challenging it.
Let me remind you …you dont pick and choose what you want to believe from Quran. You accept all of it or you dont.
So FanToosh, you might want to take your “fanny” or “tooshy” and your ideas that are coming from the same part of your body somewhere else.
Besides, read my original post and quit rammbling on like a little kid and posting your own questions like a little brat. I am looking for a leader not the town clown.*
^ that seems ridiculously illogical. A book is a book, it is the faith of the people in what is contained that makes it sacred. For you to say that simply qouting the quran and pointing out controversial text is blasphemous leaves no room for discussion. And you want to establish a Khilafah...no thanks!!
Yes, Mr Changez, I must have removed in brackets, my mistake, but the honorable translators have written it in such a way, please open the site http://www.unn.ac.uk/societies/islamic/quran/noble/nobae003.htm
And find out what your own people say under the Nobel Quran title.
If I remove the brackets, it goes against all who do not believe in theses of Islam, I mean is not a Muslim. The translator has only minimized the threat to a few.
Do these verses not prepare a particular mind set against non-Muslims?
Yes Nadia, please do not get angry, we are talking about a particular mindset and not about all Muslim community.
Most of the verses in Quran are beautiful (as given by you), and if one does not believe in Islam and reads Quran in accordance to the socio concept and historical period of 7 century Arab, everything written in Quran is a socio-political revolt in that society.
Thanks fayax, your comments are the best.
Quran says a lot about love and peace. What about patience?
These verses are specific to Prophet Mohammed’s (PBUH) time. God revealed the level of animosity the Jews, Chrisitians, idolators of his time were holding against himself and his followers. Thats why God told them to stay away from them.
Just like any website gives info on making bombs!? The information was made available to Prophet Mohammed PBUH and his followers and is available as reference now but not as “Instructions”, “Commands” for us.
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^ that seems ridiculously illogical. A book is a book, it is the faith of the people in what is contained that makes it sacred. For you to say that simply qouting the quran and pointing out controversial text is blasphemous leaves no room for discussion. And you want to establish a Khilafah...no thanks!!
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If to you a book is a book...and Quran is a book then, what can I say. Islam is made for all times and there is more knowledge and guidance in that book than any other in this world. Or any other book will ever have.
Islam is the word of Allah and right there is differentiates it from any other book. There are texts in Quran that science is just now proving to be true.
I never said that I want a Khalifa and even if there was Khilafat...not much wrong with that....I think it would be much better than Saddam and Saud and Musharraf.
As far as discussing and questioning Quran is concerned...I say more power to you ...but at the same time there is a difference in questioning something OR challenging it. And I think very firmly that if you challenge Quran, you will lose....any which way you look at it....I guarantee you that you will lose.
Allah knows best...
These verses are specific to Prophet Mohammed's (PBUH) time. God revealed the level of animosity the Jews, Chrisitians, idolators of his time were holding against himself and his followers. Thats why God told them to stay away from them.
Just like any website gives info on making bombs!? The information was made available to Prophet Mohammed PBUH and his followers and is available as reference now but not as "Instructions", "Commands" for us.
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You are on a slippery slope if you infer that the Quran is not a perfect, timeless and unchanged instruction manual. That is usually the knock on Christianity -- that it has been adapted to modern times to fit a new world and new way of life. I thought the prevailing Muslim opinion is that the Quran is a literal guide that is timeless and cannot be changed or interpreted? That brings up the question - how could the Quran be a total 'way of life' if the life that is prescribed is directed toward a 7th-century violent tribal society?
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You are on a slippery slope if you infer that the Quran is not a perfect, timeless and unchanged instruction manual. That is usually the knock on Christianity -- that it has been adapted to modern times to fit a new world and new way of life. I thought the prevailing Muslim opinion is that the Quran is a literal guide that is timeless and cannot be changed or interpreted? That brings up the question - how could the Quran be a total 'way of life' if the life that is prescribed is directed toward a 7th-century violent tribal society?
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There are instructions which are timebound (study the context) and there are instructions which are timeless. If you can parse the two then you'll understand otherwise people will remain as confused as you mentioned.
There are instructions which are timebound (study the context) and there are instructions which are timeless. If you can parse the two then you'll understand otherwise people will remain as confused as you mentioned.
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Does an everyday Muslim have the ability to distinguish between the two or is that the reason scholars have such an expanded role in Islam as compared to other religions?
^ Semi, please find out from a recently delivered fatwa whether checking oil is haraam or not. Or for that matter wearing lipstick, eating passion fruit or riding in cars with boys.
Why is there so much confusion about what is allowed and not allowed? I don't understand why the final, unedited word from God that prescribes the total 'way of life' with all His rules, wishes and commands, was delivered to a people that were so far off from His message that much of the text had to address the prevelant violence, lack of morality and tribalism of a small group of desert dwellers of the 7th century. What (if anything) did that society have to do with the rest of the world in the 7th century, nevermind the 180 degree difference compared to today's world? To try and revive an empire that fell apart hundreds of years ago based on the same outdated rules and ideas is not realistic. There has been too much education and human progress to go down that path again. The ideas, freedoms and prosperity brought about by the western world 400 years contributed to the decline of the Muslim empire and have only become stronger. Basic issues such as those outlined by Matsui above need to be addressed and understood before those ideals forge any new empire.
. Stop thinking about “facts”.
Regards,