The Muslim Empire Revival

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I, by no means have the credentials to be a ruler, a sultan, a shah. I just hope that (inshallah) someone soon with rise to bring back the glory days of the Muslim Empire.

Even reading the posts here makes me think that we have many people with leadership skills, the potential and the knowledge to lead a revolution.

I think one of the first things that can bring back solidarity and glory to the Muslim world is unity and Zakat. Cause a hungry man will first think of food and providing for the family.
There is so much wealth in the middle east that if spent right can rule the world in a short span of 20 years.
Allies should be made and Muslim rule should be fair, like the old days when even the christians felt better under the muslim rule compared to the rule of the Christian clergy.

Is there a leader out there ?
Just curious.

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Will you please mention any Islam kingdome from past gloryfied without any bloodshed or religious racism.

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to be a ruler you must make sure you implement quran and sunnah,

the ummah is feeling what you feeling bro, they all want to live under islam, but the rulers dont let us

the only way to bring this leadership back is by removing the current rulers all over the the muslim world

unite the muslim land i.e remove the borders
unite the army, l

lets see how the kufr can humialte us again, well they can't

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Will you please mention any Islam kingdome from past gloryfied without any bloodshed or religious racism.
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I am sure that you are not the first person to think of this

Analyze whom has succeed and whom has failed. Learn what they did right/wrong.

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the ummah is feeling what you feeling bro, they all want to live under islam, but the rulers dont let us....
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I beg to differ. Just visit the other sections of this forum and you will know what I am talking about ;)

When you say that "umma is feeling", its not exactly the "ummah", its some or may be a lot of "religious" people feeling that way. But there aren't many "religious" followers. Even in "religious" followers, there are divisions after divisions regarding the other divide as out of Islam, kafir, murtad, mushrik and what not. Our energy/resources are devoted in finding faults in others, criticizing beliefs of others without look at our own shortfalls, mistakes, misdeeds, misbeliefs etc.

I used to think the same way as you "umma is feeling", but its actually a very minute part of ummah. Most of ummah is very materialistic now, following much of immoral values imported from outside, injustice prevails, lack of knowledge of Islam, lack of practice of whatever knowledge we have of Islam.

Unless we return back to Quran, which is the uniting factor for all of us we aren't going anywhere and Allah swt is not going to help.

Edit: We can kiss the glory goodbye just as we kiss Quran and put it on shelf.

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*Originally posted by Changez_like: *
Most of ummah is very materialistic now, following much of immoral values imported from outside, injustice prevails, lack of knowledge of Islam, lack of practice of whatever knowledge we have of Islam.

Unless we return back to Quran, which is the uniting factor for all of us we aren't going anywhere and Allah swt is not going to help.

Edit: We can kiss the glory goodbye just as we kiss Quran and put it on shelf.
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Exactly - you've struck the nail on the head.

I remember a Q&A session that my university once held where questions about Pakistan were answered by the Pakistani High Commisioner.

Someone asked "Why does the government not implement an Islamic state with Shariah Law"? He then backed himself with the reasoning that this would be backed by the Pakistani people, because 97% of Pakistanis are Muslims, and Muslims believe in implementing an Islamic state.

That really gave me a lot to think about, because the thought struck me that the vast majority of people who I've heard discussing politics in Pakistan were not so much interested in establishing an Islamic state as they were in debating whether the PPP or PML should be in power.

As Changez says, most of the ummah today do not appreciate the importance of much of Islam.

Incidentally, on a smaller level, this was the situation faced by Shaheed Hassan Al-Banna in Egypt in the 1920s and 30s. He realised that the majority of his Muslim countrymen lacked knowledge of Islam and lacked the desire to live under an Islamic state.

He and his organisation, the Ikhwan-ul-Muslimeen, set about teaching the Egyptians to be better Muslims. As the Muslim people of Egypt began to practice Islam more, they became aware of the importance of an Islamic state. This threat to the secularist order led to Al-Banna's martyrdom.

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*Originally posted by mAd_ScIeNtIsT: *

That really gave me a lot to think about, because the thought struck me that the vast majority of people who I've heard discussing politics in Pakistan were not so much interested in establishing an Islamic state as they were in debating whether the PPP or PML should be in power.
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I think majority of people do not want to bring in JI JUI and other such cartoons version of Islam in pwer. a real islamic state sure, but JI or JUI are not the path to it. Seems like an average pakistani knows that, except maybe in NWFP where they elected the cartoons.

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^^^

before you call them cartoons, let's be fair and see what they accomplish by the time their term is up....

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I am being fair and calling them cartoosn based on all the lameness they have done over the years. I mean for the first time they have united otherwise everyone had their own vision of an islamic state, JI, JUI and what nots.

Maddie btw did u ever go and see what Jamiat. JI's student group did on campuses? not quite my idea of what an islamic state is about.

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Will you please mention any Islam kingdome from past gloryfied without any bloodshed or religious racism.
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Maybe you missed the PBS special " The empire of Islam" and also a few grades of school. There are at least two major events in Islamic history where there was no. or minimal bloodshed. There are ofcourse many other smaller events of tolerance and absence of bloodshed.

One was the invasion of Mecca by Mohammad (PBUH) in which there was 0 ( zero ) bloodshed and there are other examples of it later. So much as that it was known among christians that the muslims are very tolerant rulers.
Infact the first example of religous intolerance against the ruled peoples' religion was one of the turkish rulers where the tudk leader burned the Church of the Holy Sepulcher.
There are many examples where the muslims actually converted the occupied churches and used them as Masjids and at the same time allowed the Sunday mass to continue.
History is knowledge!

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There have been many wars concluded without any bloodshed (or a little bloodshed) just because there might not be any resistance.
(If Makka war is an example of of a nice ruler, then Bush must be considered another Masiah in Iraq war.)

I have no objection to any one’ self praise, though my question is going blank…….

Will you please mention any Islam kingdome from past gloryfied without any bloodshed or religious racism.

Is the quranic code Zazia (or Jazia) and implementation of this Jazia not a religious racism?

History without reasoning is not knowledge!

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Fantoosh

Islamic state today would be better than what we currently have which is division, nationalism, regionalism and every ism you can think of including the Racism you talk about which is a foreign concept in islam.

Racism was injectected by the colonial west who divided the muslim lands and put the people into groups and gave them a little flag to wave each saying i am pakistani i am iraqi i am turkish etc under the islamic state i would think racism would be dissapear over time because of the idea that it is alien to islam.

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Re: The Muslim Empire Revival

Yes, I vote for Imran Khan! :bravo:

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Will you please mention any Islam kingdome from past gloryfied without any bloodshed or religious racism.!
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would you please mention ANY kingdome (or any sort of rule of government) from past without any bloodshed ;)

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*Originally posted by fantoosh: *
Is the quranic code Zazia (or Jazia) and implementation of this Jazia not a religious racism?

History without reasoning is not knowledge!
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muslims under muslim rule pay zakat, non muslims pat jazia. taxation to make the society a batter place.

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THe concept is not equal. Why should a non muslim pay anything based on his religion. Muslims can pay whatever they want no one is asking them not to. But don't ask non-muslims to pay certain taxes just because they are non-muslims. What if muslims in America were asked to pay a mandatory tax because they were muslims? For the betterment of society.

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As long as there are bars, and casinos and brothels etc., it doesn’t really matter what kind of system is in place. I don’t mind paying Jazia (Matsui, that’s the special tax) if the environment is right.

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NYA, I think the Khilafah should provide the bars, the clubs, brothels and casinos free of charge. Then I might think about it. I think this kind of a planned economy would go a long way in finding acceptance int he muslim world. :k:

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*Originally posted by Matsui: *
THe concept is not equal. Why should a non muslim pay anything based on his religion. Muslims can pay whatever they want no one is asking them not to. But don't ask non-muslims to pay certain taxes just because they are non-muslims. What if muslims in America were asked to pay a mandatory tax because they were muslims? For the betterment of society.
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if they did not have to pay income tax.. sure. the concept is taxation. but I am all for equality, zakat made mandatory for everyone :D nay really equality is good..no jazia is 100% fine with me. noone should be treated differently based on religion, race, sect.. shia sunni ahmadu stuff or caste brahim shoodar what nots..... :)

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Will you please mention any Islam kingdome from past gloryfied without any bloodshed or religious racism.
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Yeah the Islamic civilasation, the Khilafah state!