The Model That India Offers

India celebrated its 60th birthday last week with a raucous parliamentary debate over nuclear energy and its new strategic relationship with the United States. New Delhi had the air of the capital of an emerging world power looking ahead into a promising, if complicated, future.

Pakistan marked the same occasion by sinking deeper into the past. The corrupt backroom dealing between military rulers and politicians that has produced a cycle of disasters for the Pakistani nation resumed – aided by the hidden hand of U.S. diplomacy working to preserve President Pervez Musharraf’s dwindling power in Islamabad.

The anniversary of the partition of the Asian subcontinent six decades ago showed the region’s two contrasting faces: a giant, open democracy and a sclerotic but nuclear-armed garrison state. It also revealed two contrasting faces of the Bush administration’s foreign policy, where pockets of bold thinking about the future compete with the need for short-term fixes that rely heavily on illusion.

Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh defended the nuclear accord against a barrage of attacks from the communist left and the reactionary Hindu right, keeping alive Bush administration hopes that the president can finally translate unconventional thinking in foreign policy into a substantial achievement.

The accord underpins a transformed U.S.-India relationship that is essential to the struggle against transnational jihadist terrorism. It sets the stage for a badly needed reframing of the global nuclear nonproliferation agreements and practices that failed to stop Pakistan from becoming the world’s nuclear Wal-Mart. And it is a key to hopes for a more effective international approach to the real dangers of global warming.

Singh does not need parliamentary approval of the deal, which will open the way for the United States and other nations to sell nuclear reactors and fuel to India for peaceful purposes. If he survives a vote of no confidence, as expected, Singh will put the accord into effect once the U.S. Congress approves its final details later this year. Such approval in Bush’s twilight months will represent a rare triumph, which has been shepherded along by Undersecretary of State Nicholas Burns and other forward-looking officials.

But that is only half the anniversary story. Pakistan at 60 represents failure, both for itself and for U.S. diplomacy, as starkly as India represents the promise of success on both counts.

Successive Pakistani military regimes have ousted corrupt and ineffective politicians, feathered their own nests for as long as they could, and then turned the shambolic states of affairs they have created over to unreformed politicians, starting the cycle all over again. The implicit deal was that neither side would implement fundamental change in the deeply fractured society they ruled.

When he took power in 1999, Musharraf seemed capable of breaking the pattern. Less corrupt, far more agile and a great deal smarter than previous military rulers, the general was not an unappealing alternative to the civilians he displaced. His periodic peaceful overtures to India seemed more genuine than anything accomplished by elected prime ministers such as Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif.

Musharraf self-destructed despite – or perhaps because of – the windfall of U.S. aid that poured in after Sept. 11, 2001. He received kid-gloves treatment from Washington even as he failed crucial tests on punishing his country’s globally destabilizing nuclear proliferation and eliminating al-Qaeda, Taliban and Kashmiri terrorist bases that are aided by his intelligence service. The civilian population is effectively in revolt against Musharraf.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and her aides have reportedly urged him to pursue secret negotiations with Bhutto to schedule elections and share power with her. But if restoring Bhutto to power is part of the solution, the problem may well be insoluble. That ploy is a return to the broken record of the past, a triumph of desperation over experience.

Hitting dead end in Pakistan did not just happen. It is the result of consistent U.S. decisions to apply short-term solutions to one of the world’s most serious long-term problems. To curry favor with China, to spite India’s notoriously prickly leaders, to bleed Soviet forces in Afghanistan or for many other immediate purposes, Washington has alternately indulged, bribed or ignored Pakistan’s leaders and their society’s deep-rooted problems.

The new U.S. relationship with India offers much for the future – including a model for dealing with a South Asian nation just turning 60 by seeking imaginative long-term change instead of pursuing traditional stopgaps to get through the latest crisis.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/17/AR2007081701693.html


Smart man, this Jim Hoagland. Now don’t you all wish you hadn’t put up such a big fuss for independence? I suppose this just goes to prove how the great Ram jee has simply blessed us Indians to have a propensity to be successful.

No worries, there’s still always the option of surrendering annd allowing us to reclaim what was truly ours all along. :]

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hahah! Indians took 50 years to figure out something that Pakistan knew from day 1.

For the last 10 years, India has barely reached the level of prosperity of Pakistan, by working with America and earn $$.

50 years! hahaha! Then Mr. Hoagland from a leftie rag, tells the same indians are smart.

funny!

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Washington has alternately indulged, bribed or ignored Pakistan's leaders and their society's deep-rooted problems.
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I wouldn't say Musharraf's sucking up to America has been all that beneficial to Pakistan in the long run. The US is a selfish nation, and once they've got what they want, they won't lift a finger to return the favor. The time has come for Pakistan to try to stand on its own.

Personally, I don't think that will work out too well, which is why I have come here on behalf of my country to propose that Pakistan surrender to India. :D

60 years has shown us who has come out on top. :]

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Get over yourself… Pakistan has had its ups and down just like India… For whatever its worth, we would all take Pakistan over India any day.
History isnt static, its constantly changing… Jim Hoagland is an idiot…
Pakistan is a changing society, not a failed society. The way he speaks, its as though its the end of Pakistan…
Fact is that Pakistan is far stronger then most of these two bit analysts think.

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For most of their hiostory, the Indians have been struggling to gain any kind of momentum... They were barely breaking 3 percent growth when Pakistan was hitting 6 percent.. Our economy consistantly out perfromed theirs..
They have had two assasinated PM's, a number of seccisionist movements, one lasting over ten years and another continueing today...

Hoagland is a complete idiot.

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did shri hoag read up on 836 million living on rupees 20/day?

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^^ The average rural Indian family eats 100 kg less food every year than it did in 1991. The average Indian farmer is lucky to get institutional credit at 17% interest, whereas an urban consumer gets a house or car loan at 9% with ease. That is what 12 years of economic reforms have meant for Indians living in the countryside.

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^ Well isn't this the same old story of rich getting richer and poor getting poorer.. I read a Brooking Institute report "Middle Class Neighborhoods Shrinking in America".. Middle class dropped from 58% in 1970 to 41% in 2000, according to the Brookings Institution.

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Come on Indians are still dark and short,there are bomb blasts everyday,illiteracy is growing,poverty is killing people.Economy is all made up figures.. India is doomed...

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Let us see who will be doomed...

India can only be doomed in a war with a more powerful country....and by nothing else. But again only to build the country back...

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^I think he was being sarcastic.

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Well. Pakis have enough nukes to turn you into a huge lake all the way from banglore to chini border. Hope this time not the biggest slums on the planet, all with 20 rupees/day.... :D

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How dare you question a 20 rupia economy...

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20 rupee economy is still better than a 15 rupee economy, aka pakistan nukes included.

i dont know about jim hoagland, but india and pak have distinct destinies. urban pakis are busy talking about bombs nukes F-16s AK-47s, urban indians are busy talking technology. army is still the best career a paki can choose, this went out of style in india in the 80s. pakistan is a consentual military state, india is an aspiring modern democracy.

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If these are facts, it is an important factor in assessing India's or any country's development.It doesn't really matter why but if farmers and villagers are afforded worse treatment than urbanites, it is not good at all. They'll all try to move to cities and next thing you know cities will sprawl and become unwieldy.But my impressions has always been whether it is US or India or Pakistan or anyother place, farmwers are given heavy subsidies on product prices, price of inputs etc - so I'm surprised to hear that they are treated differently. Can someone who knows, confirm?

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Well Tariq Bahi , there are indeed facts , I just couldn’t find that particular article in me library as soon I can I will provide the author name and other details . Further more to the topic

It has been reported by The Tribune of India that nearly half of the Indian farmers are enfeebled by debts , the average debt of an Indian farmer household is calculated to be around Rs 12,585 . Indian economists and researchers have argued that the states of Punjab and Haryana thus are paying the price for becoming the food bowl of the nation. In his article Suraj Bhan Dahiya has stated that at present, the rural debt in Punjab amounts to over Rs 24,000 crore and it aggregates to about Rs 13,000 crore in Haryana. (Dahiya.B.S , 2006)

Reference:

DAHIYA.B.S, 2006 , *Farmers driven to suicide Government policies are to blame , The Tribune *, Available online : The Tribune, Chandigarh, India - Opinions Last visited 19/08/2007 ].

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Jim Hoagland and other lefties hate the guts of eternally pro-Republican Pak government. They will not let a single item go in favor of Pakistan (period).

India and Pak have distinct destinies for sure, and so is their history and their social values. Indians are mostly baboos and accountants so they have a clerk aka munshi type government. Chinese are mostly artisans (mistris) , so they have a pro-artisan government. Pakistanis are are dominated by soldier (sipahi) aka Punjabi class, so they always end up with a military style government.

There is nothing wrong with Indians being munshis, or Chinese being mistris, or Pakistanis being sipahis. This is how their nature is.

Problem with leftie intellectuals of Pakistan is that they read American lefties aka hoaglands and try to run Pakistanis like Indian munshis. The result is always a failure.

If however we have a strong military type, clean, suited booted political leaders, believe me Pakistan will have a lasting civilian rule. Just see the pictures of Jinnah and compare with those of Gandhi's. One is an epitome of Western lifestyle, and the other is a beggar-look alike baniya (meager shopkeeper).

While Gandhi was immensely popular among Indian munshis, he was utterly hated by the Pakistani sipahis. Gandhi could never run in Pakistan and win even his own seat. A meek looking Nehru, or weak-kneed Vajpai, or piss-drinker Morarji would not have survived for a single day in Pakistan.

There is one politician who truly understood the "go-get-the-things-done" mentality. He was Shahbaz Sharif. The day we have 10 to 12 smartly dressed (aka Western syle) politicians with a general like personalites, Pakistan will have a political rule.

Be happy with what you got and let us find suitable leaders for ourselves. Thank you.

p.s. As for making money, the cycles go up and down in all the fields. Some times mistris will make more money, and some times munshis

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antiobl, we have had this discussion before too. calling pakistanis sipahis is being ignorant. punjabis and sindhis for most parts have been peasants for generations. nothing wrong with being farmers, it comes with living in river-fed plains. this is typical of UP, bihar etc too in india.

peasants have always been willing putty in the arms of generals, this is a global phenomenon.

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You forgot to add slums, Indian slums are better then any sky scrapers any time any place of course @ 20 rupia.....LOL...

P.S : I will leave starvations and suicides out for now ..

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oh pal lolzz lolzz lets not talk about suicides, especially the kind that kill two dozen paki soldiers on a daily basis now.