The Model That India Offers

Abdali · August 20, 2007, 9:56pm

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^ Can we talk about suicides that Indians commit on their own over 20 rupias? :)

queer · August 20, 2007, 9:57pm

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is this because you dont want to talk about punjabis committing gangrape over one rupee loans? :)

Abdali · August 20, 2007, 10:00pm

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^ One rupee rapee is much better then 50 paisa rapee of millions of Dalits..LMAO...

Aliyish · August 20, 2007, 10:28pm

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com'on lads why gettin personal ! let it be constructive !

king_faisal · August 20, 2007, 10:30pm

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i dont understand. on an issue relating to pak, why would people rely on the views of a cluess american who probably has never been to pak much less understand the zubaan of its people? for comparison, imagine what kind of nonsense would be produced by a non-english speaking pakistani commenting on the merits of canada over u.s.

goras left 60 years ago but unfortunately their hold is yet to be broken.

Reza_Pahlavi · August 20, 2007, 10:57pm

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Hadiqa Kiyani

India celebrated its 60th birthday last week with a raucous parliamentary debate over nuclear energy and its new strategic relationship with the United States. New Delhi had the air of the capital of an emerging world power looking ahead into a promising, if complicated, future.

Pakistan marked the same occasion by sinking deeper into the past. The corrupt backroom dealing between military rulers and politicians that has produced a cycle of disasters for the Pakistani nation resumed – aided by the hidden hand of U.S. diplomacy working to preserve President Pervez Musharraf’s dwindling power in Islamabad.

The anniversary of the partition of the Asian subcontinent six decades ago showed the region’s two contrasting faces: a giant, open democracy and a sclerotic but nuclear-armed garrison state. It also revealed two contrasting faces of the Bush administration’s foreign policy, where pockets of bold thinking about the future compete with the need for short-term fixes that rely heavily on illusion.

Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh defended the nuclear accord against a barrage of attacks from the communist left and the reactionary Hindu right, keeping alive Bush administration hopes that the president can finally translate unconventional thinking in foreign policy into a substantial achievement.

The accord underpins a transformed U.S.-India relationship that is essential to the struggle against transnational jihadist terrorism. It sets the stage for a badly needed reframing of the global nuclear nonproliferation agreements and practices that failed to stop Pakistan from becoming the world’s nuclear Wal-Mart. And it is a key to hopes for a more effective international approach to the real dangers of global warming.

Singh does not need parliamentary approval of the deal, which will open the way for the United States and other nations to sell nuclear reactors and fuel to India for peaceful purposes. If he survives a vote of no confidence, as expected, Singh will put the accord into effect once the U.S. Congress approves its final details later this year. Such approval in Bush’s twilight months will represent a rare triumph, which has been shepherded along by Undersecretary of State Nicholas Burns and other forward-looking officials.

But that is only half the anniversary story. Pakistan at 60 represents failure, both for itself and for U.S. diplomacy, as starkly as India represents the promise of success on both counts.

Successive Pakistani military regimes have ousted corrupt and ineffective politicians, feathered their own nests for as long as they could, and then turned the shambolic states of affairs they have created over to unreformed politicians, starting the cycle all over again. The implicit deal was that neither side would implement fundamental change in the deeply fractured society they ruled.

When he took power in 1999, Musharraf seemed capable of breaking the pattern. Less corrupt, far more agile and a great deal smarter than previous military rulers, the general was not an unappealing alternative to the civilians he displaced. His periodic peaceful overtures to India seemed more genuine than anything accomplished by elected prime ministers such as Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif.

Musharraf self-destructed despite – or perhaps because of – the windfall of U.S. aid that poured in after Sept. 11, 2001. He received kid-gloves treatment from Washington even as he failed crucial tests on punishing his country’s globally destabilizing nuclear proliferation and eliminating al-Qaeda, Taliban and Kashmiri terrorist bases that are aided by his intelligence service. The civilian population is effectively in revolt against Musharraf.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and her aides have reportedly urged him to pursue secret negotiations with Bhutto to schedule elections and share power with her. But if restoring Bhutto to power is part of the solution, the problem may well be insoluble. That ploy is a return to the broken record of the past, a triumph of desperation over experience.

Hitting dead end in Pakistan did not just happen. It is the result of consistent U.S. decisions to apply short-term solutions to one of the world’s most serious long-term problems. To curry favor with China, to spite India’s notoriously prickly leaders, to bleed Soviet forces in Afghanistan or for many other immediate purposes, Washington has alternately indulged, bribed or ignored Pakistan’s leaders and their society’s deep-rooted problems.

The new U.S. relationship with India offers much for the future – including a model for dealing with a South Asian nation just turning 60 by seeking imaginative long-term change instead of pursuing traditional stopgaps to get through the latest crisis.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/17/AR2007081701693.html

Smart man, this Jim Hoagland. Now don’t you all wish you hadn’t put up such a big fuss for independence? I suppose this just goes to prove how the great Ram jee has simply blessed us Indians to have a propensity to be successful.

No worries, there’s still always the option of surrendering annd allowing us to reclaim what was truly ours all along. :]

Dafa hoja you Indian bhooke. We don’t care for your kind here, so I guess you should make yourself resourceful and list what you can get for 50 cents a day in India - apart from the trash bag you’re wearing over your face.

Tariq_Akhtar · August 20, 2007, 11:04pm

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Antibol - your classification that all Pakistanis arr sipahs, Indians clerks and Chinese something is just like the Hindus caste systen warrior trader etc. Seems you're calling westerners statesmen, Pakistanis Warriors, Indians Traders and I forgot what the 4th is, but there's one more. Anyway, it is surprising!And it makes no sense whatsoever. I have seen more beurocrats in the US (baboos) than anywhere else. British invented the system of civil service and the brought it eastward.Your imagination is rich but what bs maker you are!

vroom · August 20, 2007, 11:09pm

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the indian model is here to stay, economically where india goes thats where pakistan goes. the similarity of the people should ensure this fact. pakistan have to mess up pretty bad to fail to keep up with india.

example: if the indian dhoodwala starts selling semi skimmed the pakistani should follow:D

Aliyish · August 20, 2007, 11:14pm

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^^ One Indian critic, strategic analyst Praful Bidwai said that Today's India is driven by chauvinist nationalism and seeks recognition as a great power but is callous towards its people, a majority of them poor and victims of centuries of injustice and discrimination." (Frontline, July 2-15, 2005).

According to him India's present policy is unbalanced, excessively focussed on the US.

SO my Vroom mate :) see who is following here ?

Tariq_Akhtar · August 20, 2007, 11:24pm

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The article was abt India and Pakistan. Yet all discussion is abt India. How come nobody wants to defend/discuss Pakistan?

psj1976 · August 21, 2007, 7:35am

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Whats with ur obsession on nuking India.Guess you were propagating this Idea even during the Kargil conflict.
Where will you run after Pak has nuked India?

antiobl · August 21, 2007, 12:42pm

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People who want to apply "India model" blindly to Pakistan, are either naive to the nth degree, or simply too racist.

It is racism to use just the color of skin to group certain people together, without understanding core differences.

However one can give benefit of the doubt to the original author / poster and simply say that they are naive to the nth degree.

The reason Indian model is not applicable to many other areas, because this model fails even within India. Tell me, which BIMARU state has benefited from the recent tech boom?

Indian buzz these days is mostly linked to the Indian South, and mega-industrialists who happen to be mostly Southern.

Tell you what! The day Indian model becomes successful in Bihar, it may be generic enough to be used in other places.

Right now just take care of your own BIMARUs and leave us alone. "Be Billi Chooha landora hee bhala" [Trans: Leave us alone, we are better off without this Hindian model]

Peace.

thatbrownkid · August 21, 2007, 8:42pm

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Dude I think your comments about Ghandi were racist. You compared the way he "looks" to Jinnah. What the hell does that have to do with anything? Do you know of his background prior to his peaceful civil disobedience movement and that he studied in Britain and became a lawyer and all that or are you really just that NAIVE to think that he just happened to be walking around in rags as a fashion statement, or perhaps because you think he was just the "meager shopkeeper" type...