im all for better relationships, but fact of the matter is, since partition our popular art hasnt really evolved the way india's has. and the only time it did go nitro was when mushie banned indian channels on cable.
with that gone, we'd be invaded by indian food, indian norms, indian cinema. with the exception of niche audiences, such as people-who-prefer-music-that-isnt-complete-trash, pushto cinema, umar sharif, etc virtually everyone would be thumking to odiously cheap indian cinema.
forget that their morals, values, culture is alien to ours. that is irrelevant when it comes to entertainment. sadly our morals, values, culture, language will all degrade in consequence.
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ahh even more denial.
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Since you obviously have trouble being intelligent, i'll take the first step.
take gupshup as a microcosm of pakistani/indian society. consider, furthermore, that as representative of the internet going population, it probably represents the more liberal, progressive segment of both societies.
Take the religion forum. chandigarh, rvikz, soul, karina et all. there is scarcely an issue they see eye to eye with with the majority of the people over there. matsui too when he existed.
pakistan affairs. most of the battles are india/pakistan.
culture. people opening threads on indian culture are cautioned, and usually have very few posts. simply because its so effing irrelevant on a pakistan based site.
i agree partly with what you say. religion is a big difference. people argue about it a lot too. we also do have our distinct identities which makes me indian and you pakistani.
but to say indians and pakistanis dont have a vastly overlapping culture would be lying to yourself. for centuries they have had the same rulers, they speak more or less the same language (with variations, of course). how often do you see pakistanis buying ethnic clothes from indian designers, and probably vice versa too? why? ethnic wear - shalwar kameez, kurta pajama, lungi dhotti, its quite similar. we have common grocery stores, we have similar cooking styles.
definitely, the hardcore extremists on both sides would have a tough time sitting down for some chai samosay, they would find their values threatened by kafirs and muslas. but imo, whether we like it on not, we have a lot in common.
we can play down the similarities, and decide to avoid things that may threaten our separate identity (and this isnt meant just for pakistanis, there are tons of indians who try hard not to be mistaken for pakistanis), and lose those aspects of our culture. in the end, it amounts to plain denial.
Larki, not being a Karachi native, I know that Karachi is the only city in Pakistan where Pakistanis of all ethnicity are duely represeneted, and being a port, its a very open city, open to all sorts of cultural influences and has the kind of environment which is essential to good flim making. I am not the only one saying this, even people like Samina Peerzada and Zeba Bakhtiar are on record saying that Khi has all it takes to be the movie capital of not only Pakistan, but the whole subcontinent.
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Awwwww, I love Karachi! :D
For the record, I'm not a Karachiite as I was born and raised in N.America. However, it is because of Karachi that I am proud of Pakistan and thus proud of my background.
This just shows how much you know about Lollywood anyways If this is the only grade 1 arguments you kids can come up with, you dont deserve any replies. Yeah right, our lollywood actresses are so clean they wear hijabs while they are being shot for movies Bechari pariyoon ko Bollywood actresses ke par na lag jayen
I see this break in precincts as an opportunity for progression. I personally think that all this talk of our culture being “infiltrated” and “corrupted” is mere tittle-tattle. For decades, Pakistanis have been watching Indian movies. To remain within the cultural confines is a matter of personal preference, and if both film industries take into account the masses in both countries, some middle-ground will eventually emerge.
Also, faced with added competition from across the border, Lollywood would be under greater pressure to improve the quality of its movie productions. The sharing of talent and ideas will lead to better entertainment offerings from both industries. Pakistan’s Television artists (dramas etc.) who are regarded as better actors and actresses than movie artists would have an opportunity to work with international production teams and provide an opportunity for foreign endowments and create a greater market for domestic talent.
i agree partly with what you say. religion is a big difference. people argue about it a lot too. we also do have our distinct identities which makes me indian and you pakistani.
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great. you'd also find that most of our morality and values are derivative or influenced by our religion. given that you agree that religion is a major difference, you agree that we would also have different norms of morality different value systems.
great. thats 2 out of 3 addressed.
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but to say indians and pakistanis dont have a vastly overlapping culture would be lying to yourself. for centuries they have had the same rulers, they speak more or less the same language (with variations, of course). how often do you see pakistanis buying ethnic clothes from indian designers, and probably vice versa too? why? ethnic wear - shalwar kameez, kurta pajama, lungi dhotti, its quite similar. we have common grocery stores, we have similar cooking styles.
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fine. we have similar, SIMILAR clothes, foods. Heres something though. Given the alternative between an Indian and Pakistani grocery store, which store would you go to? I guarantee you, atleast as far as pakistanis are concerned, and I can offer you evidence for this: pakistanis will prefer pakistani stores. Pakistani food. Yeah in the absence of the alternative we're forced to shop at JH bazaar (an indian shop)..but only when we have to.
As far as similarity goes, NWFP is also similar to Afghanistan in a lot of ways. Thats one fourth of Pakistan. Doesnt make me feel Afghani culture any less alien to my Pakistaniness.
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i reallly dont think its such a good idea.
im all for better relationships, but fact of the matter is, since partition our popular art hasnt really evolved the way india's has. and the only time it did go nitro was when mushie banned indian channels on cable.
with that gone, we'd be invaded by indian food, indian norms, indian cinema. with the exception of niche audiences, such as people-who-prefer-music-that-isnt-complete-trash, pushto cinema, umar sharif, etc virtually everyone would be thumking to odiously cheap indian cinema.
forget that their morals, values, culture is alien to ours. that is irrelevant when it comes to entertainment. sadly our morals, values, culture, language will all degrade in consequence.
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So what you're basically saying is that without censorship Pakistani audiences would prefer everything Indian. Do you really think that people should be denied a choice? And don't you think our stars, food etc could find a market in India?
And if our morality is different then everybody will fail to buy into the trashy Indian cinema anyhow so what are you worried about?
*I'm not too fond with the idea of the Pakistani film industry getting *even more influenced by the Indians in terms of what kind of storyline it depicts...While our culture is very similar, the main difference is the majority religion, and that makes our cultures slightly different*.
I think it would be great if the Pakistani film industry learned how to make better movies, but at the same time they should try to stay in tune with their own culture and lifestyle (which does *not include vulgar dancing and naked-clothing).
The Pakistani drama crew should definitely make movies...and keep the same restrictions they have on TV: keep the girls modest, since after all, the majority of Pakistanis are Muslims and that should be depicted.**
If this is the only grade 1 arguments you kids can come up with, you dont deserve any replies. Yeah right, our lollywood actresses are so clean they wear hijabs while they are being shot for movies